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    01 Aug '07 15:45
    Seriously speaking. I personally think Austrian Attack is troublesome for me as black, whereas lines where white does not play f4 and closes the center are the easiest ones to play as black. Also Pirc often tranposes to KID, which means that KID and Pirc together make very good repertoire for black.
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    01 Aug '07 16:011 edit
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    Also Pirc often tranposes to KID.
    Actually it doesn't because you need c4 for the KID. 😛
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    01 Aug '07 16:40
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    Actually it doesn't because you need c4 for the KID. 😛
    Yes thats the point. Very often, especially against weaker players, I see this strange move order like 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bd3 g6 4.Rf3 Bg7 5.c4
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    01 Aug '07 17:011 edit
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    Yes thats the point. Very often, especially against weaker players, I see this strange move order like 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bd3 g6 4.Rf3 Bg7 5.c4
    😕 You mean 4.Nf3?
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    01 Aug '07 17:32
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    😕 You mean 4.Nf3?
    yes. I mean Nf3. I just misspelled it. My bad.
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    01 Aug '07 17:411 edit
    How not to play hypermodern defences:

    [Event "ICC"]
    [Site "Internet Chess Club"]
    [Date "2007.08.01"]
    [White "Anthias"]
    [Black "aegilops"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [WhiteElo "1256"]
    [BlackElo "1212"]
    [TimeControl "120+12"]

    1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Bg4 4. e4 e6 5. h3 Bh5
    6. g4 Bg6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. Be3 a6 9. Qd2 h5 10. g5 Nfd7
    11. Nh4 Bh7 12. f4 c5 13. O-O-O Nc6 14. d5 Nd4 15. Bxd4 cxd4
    16. Ne2 exd5 17. exd5 Bxd3 18. Qxd3 g6 19. Qxd4 Rg8 20. Rhe1 Rc8
    21. Ng3 Qc7 22. Rd2 Kf8 23. Rde2 Nb6 24. c3 Re8 25. Nhf5 gxf5
    26. Nxf5 Nc8 27. Qf6 Rg6 28. Qh8+ Rg8 29. Qh6+
    1-0

    You have to have an idea about what you are playing. I have never encountered such a position, but just played normal developing moves and used my space advantage.
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    01 Aug '07 18:08
    Originally posted by anthias
    How not to play hypermodern defences:

    [Event "ICC"]
    [Site "Internet Chess Club"]
    [Date "2007.08.01"]
    [White "Anthias"]
    [Black "aegilops"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [WhiteElo "1256"]
    [BlackElo "1212"]
    [TimeControl "120+12"]

    1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Bg4 4. e4 e6 5. h3 Bh5
    6. g4 Bg6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. Be3 a6 9. Qd2 h5 10. g5 Nfd7
    11. Nh4 Bh7 12. f4 c5 13. O ...[text shortened]... position, but just played normal developing moves and used my space advantage.
    I'm still wondering why black didn't take on f3...a dooming move in not doing so...it bothers me when people pin a piece a with no intention of taking it...
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    01 Aug '07 18:12
    Originally posted by Restless Soul
    What I like best about the Pirc defence is it is not so much a tactical opening as it is a battle of ideas. It's especially effective against people who are really strong at tactics but weak in terms of positional understandings. I have never lost a otb tournament game with the Pirc...it's a great opening.
    I take your point, but conversely it can be a bit suspect against strong positional players who are quite happy to accept a slight spatial advantage and sit on the position, which can make life a little uncomfortable for black in the Pirc. A similar point can be made about the Alekhine. However, at most levels both openings are fine.
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    01 Aug '07 18:32
    Originally posted by Northern Lad
    I take your point, but conversely it can be a bit suspect against strong positional players who are quite happy to accept a slight spatial advantage and sit on the position, which can make life a little uncomfortable for black in the Pirc. A similar point can be made about the Alekhine. However, at most levels both openings are fine.
    Yeah, I agree, I find the Pirc Classical far more dangerous than the Austrian Attack for that reason, white gets a small, but safe advantage.
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    01 Aug '07 18:371 edit
    Originally posted by cmsMaster
    Yeah, I agree, I find the Pirc Classical far more dangerous than the Austrian Attack for that reason, white gets a small, but safe advantage.
    I agree. I`m playing Classical system against Pirc.
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    02 Aug '07 01:04
    In the first edition of "An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player", GM Keene and IM Levy recommend the Pirc against 1 e4 and the Benko Gamibt against 1 d4 (if White oblidges). Great book, although some of the analysis is quite out-of-date since the book came out in the mid-eighties.
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    02 Aug '07 01:041 edit
    The second edition of the book recommends the Scandinavian against 1 e4 and the Tchirgorin Defense (1 d4 d5 c4 Nc6) against 1 d4.
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    02 Aug '07 01:11
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    I personally think Austrian Attack is troublesome for me as black
    Even with your perfect tactical eye?! 😲
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    02 Aug '07 06:05
    Originally posted by Freddie2006
    Even with your perfect tactical eye?! 😲
    Yes. Chess is not 100% tactics.
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    02 Aug '07 08:331 edit
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    In the first edition of "An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player", GM Keene and IM Levy recommend the Pirc against 1 e4 and the Benko Gamibt against 1 d4 (if White oblidges). Great book, although some of the analysis is quite out-of-date since the book came out in the mid-eighties.
    Certainly must be a long time ago, as Keene and Levy haven't spoken to each for about 10 years since Levy exposed Keene's extremely dodgy business activities. Raymondo (aka The Penguin) is actually Levy's brother-in-law.
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