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  1. 01 Aug '07 02:53
    For anybody wondering if they should try the Pirc:

    [Event "Rated game, 25m + 0s"]
    [Site "Main Playing Hall"]
    [Date "2007.07.31"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "KnightinBlack"]
    [Black "CMSMaster"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [WhiteElo "1590"]
    [BlackElo "1660"]
    [PlyCount "58"]
    [EventDate "2007.07.31"]
    [TimeControl "1500"]

    1. e4 {1} d6 {11} 2. d4 {8} Nf6 {18} 3. Nc3 {9} g6 {3} 4. f4 {10} Bg7 {13} 5.
    Nf3 {21} c5 {16} 6. dxc5 {52} Qa5 {30} 7. cxd6 {7} Nxe4 {4} 8. dxe7 {18} Nxc3 {
    38} 9. Qd2 {62} Qc7 {29} 10. Ne5 {41} Bxe5 {79} 11. fxe5 {6} Qxe5+ {1} 12. Be2
    {16} Qxe2+ {12} 13. Qxe2 {2} Nxe2 {1} 14. Kxe2 {1} Kxe7 {3} 15. Bg5+ {1} f6 {24
    } 16. Be3 {23} Re8 {5} 17. Bc5+ {22} Kf7+ {6} 18. Kf3 {1} Na6 {11} 19. Bd4 {96}
    b6 {7} 20. Rhf1 {15} Bb7+ {2} 21. Kg3 {1} f5 {5} 22. c3 {17} Nc7 {16} 23. Rad1
    {33} Ne6 {14} 24. Bf2 {15} Rad8 {6} 25. Bd4 {39} Nxd4 {7} 26. cxd4 {1} Re3+ {9}
    27. Kf2 {6} Re4 {2} 28. Kg1 {42} Rdxd4 {14} 29. Rxd4 {2} Rxd4 {
    KnightinBlack resigns (Lag: Av=0.37s, max=0.7s) 1} 0-1


    The lines are insanely sharp, this game was done before the opening phase was even finished.

    Oh yeah, sorry it's a PGN.
  2. 01 Aug '07 07:25
    well I guess its pretty obvious Pirc is the number 1 choice for black. Of course, only players with perfect tactical eye, like me, should play.
  3. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    01 Aug '07 07:58 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    well I guess its pretty obvious Pirc is the number 1 choice for black. Of course, only players with perfect tactical eye, like me, should play.
    1) I agree that Pirc is one of the best choices of black, but its not so obvious for many GMs.
    2) Your "tactical eye" is far from perfect.
  4. 01 Aug '07 08:34
    Originally posted by Korch
    1) I agree that Pirc is one of the best choices of black, but its not so obvious for many GMs.
    2) Your "tactical eye" is far from perfect.
    well better than yours. maybe.

    anyway...its better than most players have. and yes, its not perfect anymore. I have been losing strenght for quite a time
  5. 01 Aug '07 08:42
    I was told Pirc is passive. Is it true ? I usually play French and trying to get some Alechine as backup defence.
  6. Standard member anthias
    ambitious player
    01 Aug '07 08:52 / 1 edit
    If you ask the same people, they will probably tell that the French Defence is passive and Alekhine D is just mad.

    Edit: they are not, BTW.

    Also, The Pirc is not passive, you just develop silently then bombard the enemy pawn center with your pawns, usually with d6-e5. Another strategy is to surround the white pawns center with d6-b5-a6 and get counterplay on the queenside.

    Also, interstingly, Alehkine players tend to understand Pirc positions easily. I think that is bacuse of the same pawn structure (c4 d4 e5 f4 pawns).
  7. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    01 Aug '07 09:04
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    well better than yours. maybe.

    anyway...its better than most players have. .....
    Your arrogance is terrific.
  8. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    01 Aug '07 09:05
    Originally posted by vipiu
    I was told Pirc is passive. Is it true ? I usually play French and trying to get some Alechine as backup defence.
    Pirc is one of the most active openings against 1.e4.
  9. Standard member anthias
    ambitious player
    01 Aug '07 09:08
    I also recommend Pirc Alert! and Best Lessons of a Chess Coach for players who wnt to learn the Pirc. Below 2000 ELO, it is an excellent surprise weapon.
  10. 01 Aug '07 15:02
    Originally posted by Korch
    Your arrogance is terrific.
    I am just being realistic. Just being realistic.

    Okay...maybe bit arrogant and ignorant too.
  11. 01 Aug '07 15:05
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    well I guess its pretty obvious Pirc is the number 1 choice for black. Of course, only players with perfect tactical eye, like me, should play.
    What I like best about the Pirc defence is it is not so much a tactical opening as it is a battle of ideas. It's especially effective against people who are really strong at tactics but weak in terms of positional understandings. I have never lost a otb tournament game with the Pirc...it's a great opening.
  12. Standard member Dutch Defense
    Stealer of Souls
    01 Aug '07 15:27
  13. Standard member Red Night
    RHP Prophet
    01 Aug '07 15:29
    Originally posted by Korch
    Pirc is one of the most active openings against 1.e4.
    I've always had good success using the 150 attack.

    But, I've always been fascinated by the similiarities in 4 openings: the Scotch Game, the Philidor, the Sicilian, and the Pirc.

    So, I've often wondered about this:

    e4 e5
    Nf3 d6
    Bc4 Nf6
    Nc3 c6
    d4 exd4
    Nxd4 g6

    Black gets a tremendous long diagonal and a half open e-file.
    b5 and Be6 are possibilities at some point.

    I know this is not an entirely new idea. Any thoughts out there?

    Another possible move order:

    e4 e5
    Nf3 d6
    d4 Nf6
    Nc3 Nb-d7
    Bc4 exd4
    Nxd4 g6
    Bg5 Bg7
    Nd5 c6
    Nxf6 Nxf6
    O-O O-O


    If instead of Bg5:

    Be3 Bg7
    Qd2 Qe7
    f3 O-O
    O-O-O (Bh6?! Nxe4 !?) c6 (or possibly Re8 or Nb6.)

    Again, this isn't new. It just doesn't get used very often.

    I would love to hear some criticism.
  14. 01 Aug '07 15:35
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    Game 3645674
    20.Qf3 might have been better, trying to infiltrate on the kingside and mate... but that would be my goal, seeing the weakness there. Very good game for the pirc regardless, it shows great potential and I may pick it up sometime soon!
  15. 01 Aug '07 15:45
    Seriously speaking. I personally think Austrian Attack is troublesome for me as black, whereas lines where white does not play f4 and closes the center are the easiest ones to play as black. Also Pirc often tranposes to KID, which means that KID and Pirc together make very good repertoire for black.