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25 Dec 09
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhat is a 3(b) violation ? The use of Marijuana to improve your chess?
[b]How does anyone sense...
How does anyone sense the possibility of 3(b) violation? Apart from a sharp profile
rating spike... any other telltale signs you would look for in the course of a game?
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25 Dec 09
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyStraight talk on this subject tends to produce draconian action from mods. The whole thread would likely get deleted and the offender banned from the forums for a while. The problem is not so much in discussing the methodology, but rather that certain sacred cows are likely to be named and shamed resulting in trouble for he/she who names and/or shames.
Expected straight talk here, especially from you. This isn't the general forum.
25 Dec 09
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt's just the eggnog talking. 🙂
Expected straight talk here,
Any single move in any single game will tell you nothing, just by chance a player can make a move that turns out to be a game winner.
I know it is frustrating to be pushed around by an 1000 rated player who is making a long series of Bobby Fisher moves, but sometimes that too does happen with no cheating going on.
I've decided to deal with the possibility of 3b by not worrying or even thinking about it. I look at the bad beats and try to learn where I could have done better. Other than that, I just turn it over to the Chess Gods and use my time to hopefully improve.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Gramps. 🙂
25 Dec 09
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbymmm, a series of moves that are incomprehensible from a human standpoint, that only a cyber borg, fluent in machine code, c++ and/or visual basic would understand.
[b]How does anyone sense...
How does anyone sense the possibility of 3(b) violation? Apart from a sharp profile
rating spike... any other telltale signs you would look for in the course of a game?
..................................[/b]
25 Dec 09
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySome telltale signs
[b]How does anyone sense...
How does anyone sense the possibility of 3(b) violation? Apart from a sharp profile
rating spike... any other telltale signs you would look for in the course of a game?
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1.Perfect opening repertoire (not applicable in CC)
2.Spending time on obvious recaptures and only moves (not applicable in CC)
3.Excellent defensive skills
4.Never ever missing a tactical shot
5.Planless,incomprehensive play when given no clear angle to attack (need to be a very strong player to determine this)
6.Perfect endgame play
7.Never showing fear for his king's life
25 Dec 09
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Originally posted by Ajuin1) non-book opening moves tend to raise more suspicion than book moves. a certain kind of non-book moves, not all.
Some telltale signs
1.Perfect opening repertoire (not applicable in CC)
2.Spending time on obvious recaptures and only moves (not applicable in CC)
3.Excellent defensive skills
4.Never ever missing a tactical shot
5.Planless,incomprehensive play when given no clear angle to attack (need to be a very strong player to determine this)
6.Perfect endgame play
7.Never showing fear for his king's life
2) either that, or people actually do have ringing phones, doorbells, food on the stove, children, wives and messenger friends etc. demanding attention even if they're in the middle of a chess game.
3) not really.
4) well, in a madly complicated position finding the best (scoring for engine) moves every single time actually can be a hint.
5) ah yes, the classic mysterious shuffling moves doing absolutely nothing. I'm with you here. even human tempo moves look different to engine tempo moves. but there are exceptions of course.
6) humans play endgames very principally, avoiding stupid risks and complications. engines can't separate an unnecessarily risky or unprincipled line from a principled one. good humans also play the endings better.
7) nah, that's just reckless attacking chess, more typical to humans than engines. scary king positions are the heart and soul of many openings.
25 Dec 09
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Originally posted by wormwood1.Yes,when a player always diverts from book with a top engine move it is suspicious too.But in live games the non-cheater is likely to go out of book first.
1) non-book opening moves tend to raise more suspicion than book moves. a certain kind of non-book moves, not all.
2) either that, or people actually do have ringing phones, doorbells, food on the stove, children, wives and messenger friends etc. demanding attention even if they're in the middle of a chess game.
3) not really.
4) well, in a ypical to humans than engines. scary king positions are the heart and soul of many openings.
2.Of course.It's a sign,not conclusive evidence
3.Perhaps badly worded by me.Let me rephrase it: stubborn accurate defensive moves which feel somewhat beyond any human's tolerance to pressure
4.Not only that.Humans,even the strongest ones,miss winning a pawn here and another one there because they're occupied with other goals or simply because it's a quiet position and they're not looking for any tactics.Engines never miss it.
7.Again not the best choice of words by me.I'm not talking about wild gambits.What I mean somewhat fits in with point 3.You cannot provoke an engine into a bad move by scaring it.Humans,also the strong ones,will sometimes overestimate a threat you make.I mentioned the king because that's when humans scare easiest.So 7.Never being scared into making an error
26 Dec 09
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Originally posted by MontyMooseGreetings, Moose. An old fashioned White Christmas in your neck of the woods, according to the Weather Channel
It's just the eggnog talking. 🙂
Any single move in any single game will tell you nothing, just by chance a player can make a move that turns out to be a game winner.
I know it is frustrating to be pushed around by an 1000 rated player who is making a long series of Bobby Fisher moves, but sometimes that too does happen with no cheating going on.
...[text shortened]... hess Gods and use my time to hopefully improve.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Gramps. 🙂
and confirmed by my younger brother who resides in Fort Worth. By the way, saving the eggnog for New Year's Eve.
😉