If Kasparov started at 40..

"If Kasparov started at 40....."

Then he most likely would have given up when he 42 like he did in real life.

Perhaps add:

If he had been given all the help he had when he was a boy.
(assume he is a millionaire and now retired. That takes care of all the 'adult
must earn a living arguments.'😉 Then who knows.

You have to leave him with his natural talent.

This is the lad who without a FIDE Grade finished two clear points
at Banja Luka (spelling?) in a 15 round all play all in a field that included
4 grandmasters. (something for numbers lovers to consider.)

Also If you are starting of Kasparov at 40 then you are not getting his games
and ideas that enriched the game for the 30+ years he did play.
All his TN's are his.
Chess in the 80's and 90's without Kasparov sounds pretty dismal.

Ambition would be the stumbling block.
Surely a 40 year old retired Russian millionaire would have better things to do
than learn how to play chess. Buy a football club for instance.

Having said that with that money (infact a lot less) you could buy your GM title.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
"If Kasparov started at 40....."

Then he most likely would have given up when he 42 like he did in real life.

Perhaps add:

If he had been given all the help he had when he was a boy.
(assume he is a millionaire and now retired. That takes care of all the 'adult
must earn a living arguments.'😉 Then who knows.

You have to leave him with his n ...[text shortened]... nce.

Having said that with that money (infact a lot less) you could buy your GM title.

Not having a fide rating is not that unusual. Consider how many Soviet Masters had no international rating. In many countries (including the US) getting the fide rating is quite difficult to achieve as there are almost no closed tournaments that can ensure the necessary conditions to qualify.
I think Fide eased up on those conditiions recently but I would have to check. I just know I had to play in 9 round closed tournament to get my Fide rating.

My original contained a typing error. (sorry Gary.)

Banja Luka 1979....ungraded and unbeaten finishing 2 clear points ahead
in a 16 player all play all.
14 (not 4, I missed out the '1'.) of the players were Grandmasters.

The field included: Pertrosian, Browne, Andersson, Vukic, Smejkal.....

He skipped straight past the IM norm and got a GM norm.
He was never an IM, he went straight to GM picking up his second GM norm
in 1980 when he won at Baku getting the GM norm with 1½ points to spare.

We are talking about one unique chess player here and that result must rank
as one of the best of all time. His first grade when it did appear was 2545.
(My first grade was 1720.) 🙁

Thanks to this thread I was forced to dig out my copy of 'Fighting Chess.'
Thanks. I off to reacquaint myself with a few games. Old friends.

Great book-

keep in mind though that Kasparov took 3 years to get enough attention to merit a GM trainer then he spent 3 years with the trainer before he was of "international" caliber. Of course that meant he was at least IM strength at that point (age 13)

In comparison Hikaru Nakamura who didn't develop his game hidden behind the iron curtain shows the typical development of a prodigy. First year he learned the game, the second year he played over 200 rated games and reached 1800. By the time he was 2300 he had put in aproximately 58000 hours of rated classical games- and he still managed to hold the youngest gm title record briefly.

We are talking about one unique chess player here and that result must rank
as one of the best of all time. His first grade when it did appear was 2545.
(My first grade was 1720.) 🙁

The database that comes with fritz 12, has him at 2200 in 1978. see his game against Panchenko (2495) - wow there is a beautiful crushing relentless logic about this win!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069720

Originally posted by greenerpawn
The database that comes with fritz 12, has him at 2200 in 1978. see his game against Panchenko (2495) - wow there is a beautiful crushing relentless logic about this win!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069720

Beautiful game!

another good one from an even younger Kasparov is this one from '76
YouTube

Originally posted by greenerpawn
The database that comes with fritz 12, has him at 2200 in 1978. see his game against Panchenko (2495) - wow there is a beautiful crushing relentless logic about this win!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069720

Hi gpII.

I'm only going by what is in 'Fighting Chess' all the background info came from Wade
who was pretty methodical in his work,

But next time I see Gary, Mr Kaparov to you, I'll ask him. 🙂

You could fill 100 threads with Kasparov games. Last night I spent just over an
hour going over Kavelek - Kaparov Bugojno 1982. I worked out/played
over all the wins after after 13...Nb4.

The brief analysis guides you but you have to dig in to get past the Black is winning
end of analysis parts. I was refreshing my memory from when I first saw this game
but it appeared all new to me.

(Good my memory is finally fading I can look forward to playing over all my Marshall collection again) 🙂

I'd like to think I would have got the winning shots OTB but would I have seen 13...Nb4.
No.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi gpII.

I'm only going by what is in 'Fighting Chess' all the background info came from Wade
who was pretty methodical in his work,

But next time I see Gary, Mr Kaparov to you, I'll ask him. 🙂

You could fill 100 threads with Kasparov games. Last night I spent just over an
hour going over Kavelek - Kaparov Bugojno 1982. I worked out/played
o ...[text shortened]... like to think I would have got the winning shots OTB but would I have seen 13...Nb4.
No.

Please pass on my regards. By the way I do enjoy your wind-ups and love it when others fail to see the jokes... but I often wonder about your karpov secret visit story...tell me it did really happen. (for some reason karpov's facebook pics from the 80's aren't showing).

Thanks to you and watchyourbackrank for those two games. what a player. No-one starting at 40 could create those. We coo over 12 year olds playing gems, but really we should all go gaga when we see something good by an over 40, what with all their (our) disadvantages!

I would not lie about such a thing. The club treasirer called Peter Shaw was also
there to open the club he offered to take a picture but Anatoly (Mr.Karpov to you.) declined.

http://www.edinburghchessclub.co.uk/ecchistvis.htm

A private visit conducted in secrecy.
I guess he did not want mobbed by the crowd.

Re the wind ups.
The trouble is I have become the boy that cried wolf.
People never know if I'm serious or not. Sometimes I don't even know myself.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
I would not lie about such a thing. The club treasirer called Peter Shaw was also
there to open the club he offered to take a picture but Anatoly (Mr.Karpov to you.) declined.

http://www.edinburghchessclub.co.uk/ecchistvis.htm

A private visit conducted in secrecy.
I guess he did not want mobbed by the crowd.

Re the wind ups.
The trouble is ...[text shortened]... that cried wolf.
People never know if I'm serious or not. Sometimes I don't even know myself.

Thanks GP. I'm glad it was real.
Did you show him any opening traps?

Sadly we did not play but we sat at the board as I explained about the
rules back then. Edinburgh had Black and the move in the critical 5th game.
So the real Scotch Game as seen by the members of the Edinburgh club in
the 1820's was:



I did warn him about an up coming Russin kid call Kasparov.
He said he had never heard of him. 😉

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Sadly we did not play but we sat at the board as I explained about the
rules back then. Edinburgh had Black and the move in the critical 5th game.
So the real Scotch Game as seen by the members of the Edinburgh club in
the 1820's was:

[fen]RNBKQB1R/PPP1PPPP/5N2/3P4/3pp3/2n5/ppp2ppp/r1bkqbnr w - - 0 1[/fen]

I did warn him about an up coming Russin kid call Kasparov.
He said he had never heard of him. 😉

It's your fault for confusing him!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1985#Game_1_and_2_-_Karpov_.22stunned.22

Karpov stunned. Not by any opening novelty, but because Karpov thought he could move first with Black. One of the most embarrassing moments ever in a WC match.

🙂

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi gpII.

I'm only going by what is in 'Fighting Chess' all the background info came from Wade
who was pretty methodical in his work,

But next time I see Gary, Mr Kaparov to you, I'll ask him. 🙂

You could fill 100 threads with Kasparov games. Last night I spent just over an
hour going over Kavelek - Kaparov Bugojno 1982. I worked out/played
o ...[text shortened]... like to think I would have got the winning shots OTB but would I have seen 13...Nb4.
No.

Marshall?

Give me d4 Again........ pls?

-m. 😉 (Yes, I'm alive!) 🙂