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Originally posted by wittywonka
Are you convinced beyond the benefit of a doubt that ih8sens is guilty?

Originally posted by cludi

[b]"All players are given the benefit of the doubt."


I'm skeptical.[/b]
Me too.

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Game 4388033
Game 4388036

you can also see these games in progress against me...even they are in progress I think I can comment on them now as he is already banned...I believe he did not use any engine help in them ...and I also believe I am doing fine in both...as black about equal and as white I think I have a plus...
I bet he did not use any engine help in these 2 games.

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Originally posted by wittywonka
Alright, I'll lay out my argument. I feel as though the majority of players either agree with or accept the decision to ban ih8sens, but I would like to present a different perspective.

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First, some posts that I wiill eventually to speak to:

Originally posted by cm thing. If any higher rated players see any errors in my analysis, please say so.
This is remarkable arrogance on your part to presuppose that your brief analysis of a handful of ih8sens's games can make us doubt the mods' use of accepted statistical methods of determining engine use. These techniques are used to make sure all is conducted above board in correspondence tournaments and play across the world: so pardon me if I am not buying what you are selling. If there is any doubt about ih8sens's guilt then it so minimal that I won't let it bother me.

What surprises me is that someone, like yourself, who has worked so hard and diligently to increase their rating by 500 points (and then modestly states that they are "only" 1800) should side with someone whose engine use makes a mockery of your sustained effort.

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Originally posted by demonseed
This is remarkable arrogance on your part to presuppose that your brief analysis of a handful of ih8sens's games can make us doubt the mods' use of accepted statistical methods
Statistical methods needs a lot of sample points to be reliable. And unless ih8sens wa cheating before the sudden rating increase there weren't that many sample points.

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Even if ih8sens had reams of computer analysis of Traxler lines prior to the start of the game, how long would it be before his opponent deviated from it? I know the Traxler pretty well and even own three (very slim) books on it, but I suspect I would be out of my book knowledge by move 7 or 8 if I played the White side.

If ih8sens's Traxler games matched computer analysis for a significant percentage of the moves then either his opponents had reams of pre-game computer analysis as well or else he was using an engine during the game. I know which one my money is on.

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Mods don't take these decisions lightly - therefore they have found overwhelming evidence to support their decision. Case closed

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Originally posted by wittywonka
Alright, I'll lay out my argument. I feel as though the majority of players either agree with or accept the decision to ban ih8sens, but I would like to present a different perspective.

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First, some posts that I wiill eventually to speak to:

[i]Originally posted by cm thing. If any higher rated players see any errors in my analysis, please say so.
[/i]I've lost count how many times this has been said, but obviously it has to be said at least one more time: a change in rating, no matter how big or how fast, is NOT used as grounds for banning.

which makes makes pretty much everything you just wrote irrelevant.

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Originally posted by wormwood
[/i]I've lost count how many times this has been said, but obviously it has to be said at least one more time: [b]a change in rating, no matter how big or how fast, is NOT used as grounds for banning.

which makes makes pretty much everything you just wrote irrelevant.[/b]
A sudden increase on rating always makes a few eyebrows to raise. That's why he firstly took that point. And then he went and made analysis of some of ih8sens results lately. It seems to me that he made a pretty damned good point.

A lot of people on this thread too pointed out the suspicious rating increase as if it was a reason to be suspicious. So I'm taking that a rating increase certainly is a reason for the mods to investigate someone.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
I remember a game he had with zebano...he moved a rook up three spaces for seemingly no reason...
Game 4156659

I believe this is the game. 11. Rh3 isn't a terribly uncommon move in the french. Especially in McCutcheon lines (which this wasn't). The only possible strange part was that instead of then playing Rg3 he put a knight on g3.

I always found his graph suspicious but nothing in my three games against him +0 -1 =2 indicated to me that he was an engine user. Especially since he couldn't figure out how to win
Game 3491752 though I think that was just prior to his rating increase.

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Originally posted by adam warlock
Statistical methods needs a lot of sample points to be reliable. And unless ih8sens wa cheating before the sudden rating increase there weren't that many sample points.
the number of sample points is the amount of non-db moves, not the number of games. also, they're not trying to tell exactly who is and who is not an engine user. instead, they recognize that there's no exact boundary, and have set a threshold which leaves some cheats undetected (for protection of the innocent), but catches the blatant ones. essentially cutting the 'gray area' from the 'black end' of the spectrum.

and as all master do pass the test, it's practically sure that the system works as it's supposed to do.

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Originally posted by wormwood
and as all master do pass the test, it's practically sure that the system works as it's supposed to do.
I certainly agree with this. But still...

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Originally posted by adam warlock
I certainly agree with this. But still...
Forget that he was your clan leader - wake up and smell the roses

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Originally posted by Mctayto
Forget that he was your clan leader
It has nothing to do with it. If I suspected him to be a cheater I wouldn't have joined the clan.

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Originally posted by zebano
Game 4156659

I believe this is the game. 11. Rh3 isn't a terribly uncommon move in the french ...
Preparing the king-side attack with b2-b3 looks a bit odd in this game.


Doesn't make it a computer move of course.


J

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ih8sens

Well.. I have nothing left to say.. the general consensus is definitely that I'm guilty and so I will accept that. The issue I have is with those people on this site whom I kept reasonably close companionship... there was a trust and friendship I made with several people on this site and I don't like the thought of that going unadressed.. I have to sincerely ask those people that they look through some of my games themselves.. run it through their engines.. see if it matches.

To those people who believe me innocent.. thankyou I appreciate it. To those people who believe that I crossed the line somewhere.. I don't blame you, I just hope your motive isn't jealousy.

I still hope that any mod who reads this is patient enough to go through some of my games and take a second look.. anyone who has played me recently will say that my games do not look like an engine, despite the rating climb.

To everyone else.. please, take the time to think about it fairly rather than 'oh the mods say he's guilty so he has to be'. Think for yourself.

Anyways.. as I post this I am looking online for another CC site or perhaps a very good OTB site.

And in response to fat lady about the traxler.. I actually do have several of the Nxf7 lines worked out well beyond move 20.. check out my game in progress against Fugnbatter (sp?) Then compare it with my only traxler loss to Najdorf Slayer.

Well.. i have nothing left to say.. I sincerely hope my close associates on this site are reasonable and intelligent enough to decide for themselves and see the truth.

Thanks for the great time I had on this site.

Best Wishes to All,
Matthew N. (ih8sens)

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