intro + problem with the touchmove rule

Hi everybody

My name is rourkey and i'm from Manchester.

Me and my friend had a friendly fall out which has not been resolved even through a couple of rule books.

It was my move and i picked my queen up moved it to a certain square but kept hold of the piece then changed my mind and put the queen back in the original square and took my hand off the queen.

Then i moved the queen to a different square and took my hand off and this was my move.

My russian friend says once my hand came off the queen (even though my hand came off the queen in its original square) he says i should honour the move.

I think i can move the queen somewhere else.

He says the way he was taught in Russia my hand came off the queen after i put the queen back and that should be my move.

I'de love this resolved

Thanks everybody

Rourkey

were "both" your feet touching the ground?

Originally posted by rourkey
Hi everybody

My name is rourkey and i'm from Manchester.

Me and my friend had a friendly fall out which has not been resolved even through a couple of rule books.

It was my move and i picked my queen up moved it to a certain square but kept hold of the piece then changed my mind and put the queen back in the original square and took my hand off the ...[text shortened]... en back and that should be my move.

I'de love this resolved

Thanks everybody

Rourkey

I always thought the touch rule just meant that you had to move that piece on that move, so once you take your hand off on it's destination square (edit: ie not the square it started on) that is move over. I've never played any tournaments though so don't really know, I suppose people could argue that it helps you visualise if you start holding your pieces in certain positions before moving them back again??

I hate that rule. I don't see any point in touch piece play piece.

sorry i can't help you resolve anything, but in my book, it does not change anything if you touch or not.

"Touch-move rule"

Definition:
The touch-move rule requires that a player who touches a piece must move it. The rule is used for all serious competitions and applies only to the player who is on move. The player who is not on move may touch pieces, although this is considered bad form; a Tournament Director may penalize a player who is touching pieces to annoy or distract the opponent.

A similar rule requires that a player who releases a piece after making a legal move is considered to have made that move. A player who moves a piece to a square without releasing the piece is entitled to move that piece to a different square.

There is no penalty for a player who touches a piece which has no legal moves. At one time, the rules required the player to move the King, but this rule is obsolete.

A player who touches an opponent's piece is required to capture it, if possible. Castling is considered a King move, and a player should touch the King before the Rook.

You are correct. If you still have your hand on the piece and decide that your intended move is a mistake, then the correct behaviour is to return the piece to its original square and then decide where to move it to (obviously you have to move this piece due to touch move). Many beginners keep their hand on the piece even when it is back on its original square, and this obstructs the board for their opponent.

If you touched one of your opponents pieces as well as your own, then you have to take that piece with the one of yours that you touched. If this is not possible, then I believe that your opponent can decide whether he wants you to capture his piece (with some other piece of yours) or move the piece of your own that you touched.

I think there used to be a rule that said if you touched a piece and had no legal move with that piece (e.g. touching a knight pinned to the king) then you had to move your king. I'm certain that this is no longer in the rulebook (if it ever was).

"A player who moves a piece to a square without releasing the piece is entitled to move that piece to a different square"

Still not explicit enough!

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
If you returned your Queen to its original square you have not yet made a move.


Hi Dragon fire and thanks for replying

And then I can move the queen somewhere different?

Cheers
Rourkey

FIDE laws of chess: 4.7.1 When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot then be moved to another square.

Originally posted by Mephisto2
FIDE laws of chess: 4.7.1 When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot then be moved to another square.

Originally posted by TheGambit
From that I take it that leaving the piece on the square it started is not a legal move, hence you have to then release the piece on another square and Rourkey was right in what he did.

Dammit, thought a way round zugzwang had been uncovered 😉

You could always try what Reshevsky once did against Matulovic (I think it was). Reshevsky played a Q-move & punched his clock. Then, realizing it was a blunder, he picked it up and moved it to another square saying, “The Queen went to here.”

Originally posted by TheGambit
Dammit, thought a way round zugzwang had been uncovered 😉