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01 Aug 08
01 Aug 08
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In the last round of Tournament 1319 with only 1 uncompleted game all games except those against the bottom player (who lost with both colours) have been won by black with white achieving a pathetic 27.3% which will worsen if black were to win the final game.
In the 2nd round the results were (for white)
W25 D3 L36 for a 41.4% score.
Whilst in the 1st round white only achieved
W94 D5 L93 for a mere 50.2%.
This seems to say something.
01 Aug 08
Originally posted by greenpawn34The tournament was KGA, so all games were 2. .... exf4.
Interesting Stat.
What was the score with players accepting the pawn (2...exf4)
What was the score with players declining the pawn (2....d5, 2....Bc4 etc)
I have not looked to see if the Bishops Gambit got better results for white than the Knights Gambit.
01 Aug 08
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Originally posted by Dragon FireProbably says don't play the King's Gambit unless you know what you're doing. People (from Bobby Fischer down) have been claiming for many years now that the King's Gambit is busted. I'd like to see the accompanying analysis.
In the last round of Tournament 1319 with only 1 uncompleted game [b]all games except those against the bottom player (who lost with both colours) have been won by black with white achieving a pathetic 27.3% which will worsen if black were to win the final game.
In the 2nd round the results were (for white)
W25 D3 L36 for a 41.4% score.
Whil ...[text shortened]... 1st round white only achieved
W94 D5 L93 for a mere 50.2%.
This seems to say something.[/b]
01 Aug 08
Originally posted by gaychessplayerTrue, if we talk about the GM level or the opening on the world stage. But within the RHP family the numbers say white is not getting much advantage out of the KGA. It may say that collectively, at our level, there are better ways to start as white because of our level of ability. Of course any indivuidal's results may differ. 😉
I'm not sure that the results of a RHP tournament in which the average rating of the players is under 2000 says anything at all about the viability of an opening.
From July 30th Chess Cafe, an article on the Fisher bust of the KG:
http://www.chesscafe.com/fromarchive/fromarchive.htm
01 Aug 08
Originally posted by MontyMooseOoh, I can't wait for all the youngsters here to start complaining about the descriptive notation used in Bobby's article. 😀
From July 30th Chess Cafe, an article on the Fisher bust of the KG:
http://www.chesscafe.com/fromarchive/fromarchive.htm
01 Aug 08
"Actually the King's Gambit is not suitable for top chess. With optimal play White is the side likely to get problems. However, as there are much less theory variations than e.g. in the Ruy Lopez, success depends much more on the individual player's chess understanding. Another advantage of this opening is that all computers agree that White is lost as early as on move 2. That's why they are not a big help in practice as fortunately things are not as simple as that."
Manfred Nimtz, German Correspondence Master
01 Aug 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieInteresting point, but I'm not sure you're right about theory. There is an enormous amount of theory on the KG.
"Actually the King's Gambit is not suitable for top chess. With optimal play White is the side likely to get problems. However, as there are much less theory variations than e.g. in the Ruy Lopez, success depends much more on the individual player's chess understanding. Another advantage of this opening is that all computers agree that White is lost ...[text shortened]... rtunately things are not as simple as that."
Manfred Nimtz, German Correspondence Master
02 Aug 08
Originally posted by Mad RookDuuude,like seriously,come on like can't they put that in normal notation?
Ooh, I can't wait for all the youngsters here to start complaining about the descriptive notation used in Bobby's article. 😀
I thought the KG was still sometimes used at top level as a positional pawnsac,not the hack 'n slash stuff?
02 Aug 08
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Originally posted by Northern Ladactually dude i am not the author, i just thought it was interesting like you, and yes there is a huge amount of theory, maybe just not as much as the Ruy in comparison, although not being a theoretician i dunno. and interestingly i am at present playing someone who enlightened me that the counter gambit, the falkbeer is in trouble nowadays, busted as the Americanos say, check it out, 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 e4 4. d3 Nf6 5. dxe4 Nxe4 6. Nf3 Bc5 7. Qe2 Bf5 8. Nc3 Qe7 9. Be3 Bxe3 10. Qxe3 Nxc3 11. Qxe7 Kxe7 12. bxc3
Interesting point, but I'm not sure you're right about theory. There is an enormous amount of theory on the KG.
02 Aug 08
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, that is (or used to be) the main line of the Falkbeer. But it's clearly good for white, so black has to seek salvation in side lines.
actually dude i am not the author, i just thought it was interesting like you, and yes there is a huge amount of theory, maybe just not as much as the Ruy in comparison, although not being a theoretician i dunno. and interestingly i am at present playing someone who enlightened me that the counter gambit, the falkbeer is in trouble nowadays, busted a ...[text shortened]... 6 5. dxe4 Nxe4 6. Nf3 Bc5 7. Qe2 Bf5 8. Nc3 Qe7 9. Be3 Bxe3 10. Qxe3 Nxc3 11. Qxe7 Kxe7 12. bxc3
PS I'd appreciate it if you didn't refer to me as 'dude'!
02 Aug 08
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Originally posted by Northern Ladi recall a very famous game in which Nigel Short employed 3.Bc4 and Garry Kasparov replied with an unusual counter gambit, but got pasted in 15 or so moves, later i think he was quite annoyed as he really detested his position as black, and there is also a recollection in my mind of a game in which Fischer himself employed the 3.Bc4 line
If there is a refutation of the KG, it will almost certainly be 3...g5 (after 3.Nf3). But even if that is ever proved (which I somewhat doubt), there will still be 3.Bc4, not to mention 3.Nc3!? and 3d4!?, neither of which has ever been convincingly refuted.
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 b5 5. Bxb5 Nf6 6. Nf3 Qh5 7. Nc3 g5 8.d4 Bb7 9. h4 Rg8 10. Kg1 gxh4 11. Rxh4 Qg6 12. Qe2 Nxe4 13. Rxf4 f5 14. Nh4 Qg315. Nxe4 1-0