1. Standard membervivify
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    26 Nov '12 19:234 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    I didn't include that, because it's not a logical move for black to do.

    [pgn][Date "????.??.??"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "rn3k2/pp2qBb1/3pPp2/4p2Q/7p/2N4P/PPPP1PP1/R4RK1 w - - 0 1"]

    1.Nd5 { The logical move, obviously, is to protect the queen, if black's gonna bother to continue playing. } 1...Nc6 2.Nxe7 Kxe7 3.Qh7 Bf8 4.Be8+ Kxe8 5.Qd7# { Mate in five. ove black choses, it's mate in 2, 3 or 5 moves, which is why he resigned.}
    *[/pgn]
    Actually, there are ways for black to prolong avoiding mate, beyond five moves (though they're unrealistic, unless black is trying to win by time). But you get the point: black resigned, seeing how his position was hopeless.
  2. Standard memberRJHinds
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    26 Nov '12 21:113 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    Over at Chess.com, I've been using an opening as white, that I wanted to know if there's a name for. If not, I think we should name it after me. 😉 The position is at move number six:


    [pgn][Date "????.??.??"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]

    1.d4 c6 2.e4 g6 3.Nf3 f6 4.Nc3 Bg7 5.Bd3 h5 6.Be3 { I really l ...[text shortened]... 7 Nh6 17.Bxh6 Bxh6 18.Qh5 Bg7 { Black resigned, realizing I had mate in two. }
    *[/pgn]


    See the 2nd example give by paulbuchmanfromfics for another way to get to this position.
    That is if Black now plays 4...d6.
  3. Standard memberChessPraxis
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    26 Nov '12 21:22
    In a few googles on the first 4 moves of a few PGNs, it is a Robatsch or possibly a variation of the Caro-Kann.
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    26 Nov '12 21:381 edit
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    In a few googles on the first 4 moves of a few PGNs, it is a Robatsch or possibly a variation of the Caro-Kann.
    No it isn't. I take that back. There is a variation of the Robatsh that also gets to the same position I posted for the transposition in the Morden Defense. But I think we can rule out the Caro Kann Defense as a possibility.
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    26 Nov '12 22:01
    It's actually a hybrid of the Modern (Robatsch) and the Caro-Kann. It is usually referred to as a Modern.

    The idea is to play d5 (usually), Bg4, trade the light squared bishop on f3, play h5 and Nf5, and create a total light square blockade. Then e6 and c5 undermines the center. Marinkatomb has been playing this system a bit lately.

    The ultra slick move order (if I remember correctly) is:

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    26 Nov '12 22:20
    Originally posted by vivify
    I didn't include that, because it's not a logical move for black to do.

    [pgn][Date "????.??.??"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "rn3k2/pp2qBb1/3pPp2/4p2Q/7p/2N4P/PPPP1PP1/R4RK1 w - - 0 1"]

    1.Nd5 { The logical move, obviously, is to protect the queen, if black's gonna bother to continue playing. } 1...Nc6 2.Nxe7 Kxe7 3.Qh7 Bf8 4.Be8+ Kxe8 5.Qd7# { Mate in five. ...[text shortened]... ove black choses, it's mate in 2, 3 or 5 moves, which is why he resigned.}
    *[/pgn]
    The point is, it's not a mate in 2 unless every variation is mate in 2 or less.
  7. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    26 Nov '12 22:25
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    A hypermodern opening is one where one side doesn't put any pawns in the center (e4-d4-e5-d5). Instead, the hypermodern opening tries to attack the center from the flanks. The idea is let white build a big center. Attack it. Let white loosen himself defending it. Destroy it. And last, toss black's center pawns forward (White's have destroye ...[text shortened]... 4 32.Rg1 Rg8+
    33.Kf1 Qb5+ 34.Rd3 Rxg1+ 35.Kxg1 1-0
    [/pgn]
    In the Suttles game, the idea of ...Nh6-Nf7 is an idea that featured prominently in the games of J C Thompson, an English player who played such ideas in the 1950's. I'll see if I can find some games.

    When I read the OP's game, Thompson was the first person I thought of, and the Suttles game is right in that mold. An excellent game!
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    26 Nov '12 23:54
    Originally posted by vivify
    This is really cool. I'm now a fan of Suttles.

    Thanks so much for this. Hypermodern openings are truly unique, and the destruction to white's center is very hard to see coming.
    Pal Benko won that game as white, not Suttles.
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    27 Nov '12 00:06
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    No it isn't. I take that back. There is a variation of the Robatsh that also gets to the same position I posted for the transposition in the Morden Defense. But I think we can rule out the Caro Kann Defense as a possibility.
    Hardly RJ as 1.e4...c6 2. d4...g6 is indeed a Caro-Kann.
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    27 Nov '12 00:11
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Hardly RJ as 1.e4...c6 2. d4...g6 is indeed a Caro-Kann.
    1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 !? Sometimes you'll see this move in a book. (I believe it was in one of my Kasparov books.) The idea is dxe4 Nxe4 is a regular Caro-Kann. If black plays g6, Nd2 is designed to reserve c2-c3 as a possibility.
    It's a Caro-Modern hybrid all the way, RJ!
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    27 Nov '12 00:18
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Pal Benko won that game as white, not Suttles.
    Yes, but only because Suttles overplayed his hand in the endgame. I think he missed the f4 push. The rook ending (had he traded queens somewhere in there) was in fact a draw. The game is annotated in Learn From The Grandmasters. Great Book!

    Each player (author) chooses two great games - one of his own and one that inspired him.

    It's a fun read and great book. I see it here at amazon (US) for only $2 used. Anyone with a little chess budget should check it out.
  12. Standard membervivify
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    27 Nov '12 01:31
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Pal Benko won that game as white, not Suttles.
    I still like his style.
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    27 Nov '12 01:56
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Hardly RJ as 1.e4...c6 2. d4...g6 is indeed a Caro-Kann.
    1.e4...c6 2. d4...d5 is a Caro Kann Defense. 😏
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    27 Nov '12 02:111 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    1.e4...c6 2. d4...d5 is a Caro Kann Defense. 😏
    What is this?



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    Wrong! If you said Alekhine, it was Scandinavian. If you said Scandinavian, it was Alekhine.
  15. Standard memberRJHinds
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    27 Nov '12 02:30
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    What is this?

    [pgn] 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 3.d4 d6 4.exd6 Qxd6 5.Nc3 [/pgn]

    [hidden] Wrong! If you said Alekhine, it was Scandinavian. If you said Scandinavian, it was Alekhine. [/hidden]
    Don't be a smart aleck!
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