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Is there a win for black here?

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White to move obviously since he is in check.

The game is over, we called it a draw.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
[fen]Q3b3/2K1P3/8/4k3/2q5/8/8/8 w - - 3 71[/fen]

White to move obviously since he is in check.

The game is over, we called it a draw.

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Originally posted by Ragwort
[pgn]
[FEN "Q3b3/2K1P3/8/4k3/2q5/8/8/8 w - - 3 71"]
71. Qc6 Qxc6 72. Kd8 Qd7 [/pgn]
You have a point, there is a win, but I was thinking more on the lines of a forced win🙂

Like now K-e1, now what?

So if K-e1, how do I stop white from perpetual check? And the white king is attacking my bishop.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
You have a point, there is a win, but I was thinking more on the lines of a forced win🙂

Like now K-e1, now what?

So if K-e1, how do I stop white from perpetual check? And the white king is attacking my bishop.
There is a sneaky trap, Kd8, Bc6, e8=Q+, Bxe8, Kxe8, Qg8+ and then take the queen on a8 but Qa5+ after Bc6 seems to secure the draw.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
You have a point, there is a win, but I was thinking more on the lines of a forced win🙂

Like now K-e1, now what?

So if K-e1, how do I stop white from perpetual check? And the white king is attacking my bishop.
This position is within the range of 6 piece endgame tablebases which are free to access on line. The one I consulted said Kb8 or Kd8 is a draw but white loses with the 3 other legal moves. As an example of the way things are going ICCF now allow win/ draw claims as soon as a tablebase position is reached. Of course it is against the rules of this site to consult them during play here.

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Originally posted by Ragwort
This position is within the range of 6 piece endgame tablebases which are free to access on line. The one I consulted said Kb8 or Kd8 is a draw but white loses with the 3 other legal moves. As an example of the way things are going ICCF now allow win/ draw claims as soon as a tablebase position is reached. Of course it is against the rules of this site to consult them during play here.
In this game it was declared a draw so any analysis would be appreciated. I saw the queen trap but it looked to me like he wouldn't have taken the bishop but instead just start checking my king which would probably been draw anyway.

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No win there, that position is a draw.

Here is the point where you chucked the win.



There was also a big moment here.



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Originally posted by KnightStalker47
No win there, that position is a draw.

Here is the point where you chucked the win.

[pgn]
[FEN "4b3/p3P3/P2K4/3p4/3k4/8/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
1. Kc7 Ke5 {This move is a little strange, Kc5 is more natural, moving towards the action. After Kc5 the idea of simply running the pawn as you did in the game works} 2. Kb7 Kd6 {You played d4 which is the mo ...[text shortened]... b3/4P3/1K6/4k3/3q4/8/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
1. Kc7 Qd6 2. Kc8 Bd7+ 3. Kd8 Bc6+ 4. Kc8 Qd7+ {GG} [/pgn]
Thanks for the analysis. I saw some of the second play but not running it to mate.

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