I just got my first win against a highly rated opponent (high in my book is 1500+).
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I'm very proud of the way I played although I think I was the beneficiary of a slight miscue of 10... Ng4.
But what I really wanted to ask everyone is:Is this really a resignable position? I haven't run the game through an engine yet, but I was thinking that I'm up by the equivalent of 1.5 pawns, maybe 2. Would you resign in this position? Of course, I'll bet that GP, Korch and many of the others could beat me with black from this position without much of a problem, but that's another story.
At lower than grandmaster rating, resignable is tricky. You see, at their level, your position is winning, because his central pawn is hanging and your position is structurally better, so you would win an endgame after massive exchanges. But at around 1500 level, it certainly isn't resignable because 1500 players still drop pieces now and then
Originally posted by sh76If you want to understand why your opponent resigned flip the board and try to defend.
I just got my first win against a highly rated opponent (high in my book is 1500+).
Game 5350711
I'm very proud of the way I played although I think I was the beneficiary of a slight miscue of 10... Ng4.
But what I really wanted to ask everyone is:Is this really a resignable position? I haven't run the game through an engine yet, but I was thinki ...[text shortened]... beat me with black from this position without much of a problem, but that's another story.
White threatens Nxe5 and Nxd6 or Qxe5 Qxd6 and Qxb7 for starters.
If Qc7 unpinning the d pawn, attacking the Knight on c4 twice and protecting b7 then Nxd6. If then Rad8 white with Qxe5 is two pawns to the good and threatening to win further material with a check on f7 with the Knight. I cannot find a defence to that move. Rf6 and Rff8 are answered by Nf7+!
I'm not sure that the alternatives to Qc7 are any more appealing...
Originally posted by Noel StumpitSure, Black is on the defensive and will soon be down a pawn with a bad position. But I agree with Octavianus and Jie - too soon to resign at these rating levels. Yeah, it's better than even odds that Black will lose the game by continuing, but at least he'd get some practice at defending bad positions.
If you want to understand why your opponent resigned flip the board and try to defend.
White threatens Nxe5 and Nxd6 or Qxe5 Qxd6 and Qxb7 for starters.
If Qc7 unpinning the d pawn, attacking the Knight on c4 twice and protecting b7 then Nxd6. If then Rad8 white with Qxe5 is two pawns to the good and threatening to win further material with a chec ...[text shortened]... 8 are answered by Nf7+!
I'm not sure that the alternatives to Qc7 are any more appealing...
I agree with the others that it was a bit early to resign. But you were in a dominant position the entire game. Black's troubles started with Nxd4. Without the c6 knight (and even with it) the idea of d6 and e5 is just bad- it makes d5 and d6 weak, and you skillfully exploited both weaknesses.
Blacks going to lose a few pawns and ultimately the game. Against a player graded equal to me or better I would also resign as black but gainst a player rated 1500 I would play on trying to get counter play and generate chances as there are still a lot of pieces on the board.
With Qs on a perpetual is always a possibility if you can open up the board a little but it will be difficult to do here and black will need to rely on white making a fairly serious error.
Originally posted by Dragon FireI'd never resign a game down only pawn(s), with my opponent having no immediate winning combination and with all my heavy pieces on the board. I wouldn't care if I was playing Fischer.
Blacks going to lose a few pawns and ultimately the game. Against a player graded equal to me or better I would also resign as black but gainst a player rated 1500 I would play on trying to get counter play and generate chances as there are still a lot of pieces on the board.
With Qs on a perpetual is always a possibility if you can open up the board ...[text shortened]... will be difficult to do here and black will need to rely on white making a fairly serious error.
I forget where I read it but somewhere I remember a book saying something like: chess is more than mere calculation; sometimes it takes courage and determination to play on in what seems like a lost position.
That's appropriate here and in many other games.
Originally posted by no1marauderSometimes you just need to cut losses. When you are playing CC with quite a few games on the go sometimes it is better to cut your losses and games that you are losing and focus your efforts on games you can win.
I'd never resign a game down only pawn(s), with my opponent having no immediate winning combination and with all my heavy pieces on the board. I wouldn't care if I was playing Fischer.
I forget where I read it but somewhere I remember a book saying something like: chess is more than mere calculation; sometimes it takes courage and determin ...[text shortened]... t seems like a lost position.
That's appropriate here and in many other games.
Against a strong opponent this is one such game.
Of course it is always a matter of personal preference and different people will always have differing views. There is nothing wrong with playing on and hoping to generate counter play if you think that is a possibility. It is also perfectly acceptable to make you opponent mate you. I just wouldn't waste my time.
I resign when I feel I am beaten irrespective of the material left on the board - sometimes I am not even down a pawn but my position is hopeless.
Originally posted by Dragon FireGlad you agree with my viewpoint. Does it mean the dragon has stopped setting fire or has simply gone to a gas station to fill up?
Blacks going to lose a few pawns and ultimately the game. Against a player graded equal to me or better I would also resign as black but gainst a player rated 1500 I would play on trying to get counter play and generate chances as there are still a lot of pieces on the board.
With Qs on a perpetual is always a possibility if you can open up the board ...[text shortened]... will be difficult to do here and black will need to rely on white making a fairly serious error.