Originally posted by Mad RookI haven't played on playchess for a couple of years, but back then I had engine running on other games while blitzing, and never had any warnings nor trouble.
I haven't played there in a while, but FL is right, the automated anti-cheat software on Playchess just detects whether you're switching between various tasks while you're playing a game. It doesn't distinguish between engines or other innocent software usage.
If you're taskswitching while playing a game, regardless of the nature of the software, the ant ...[text shortened]... e.
Bottom line - If you play on Playchess, don't switch tasks while playing games.
I don't believe there is such a thing as proposed, a chessbase client sniffing processes. not only because it would be illegal in many countries, but because it would be inefficient on a level that approaches a million retarded monkeys on crack with typewriters. it would score a false positive close to 100% of the time, as many/most serious players have regularly time to kill by blitzing while the engine is busy analysing past games. a completely useless idea.
Your grade and your graph do not indicate box use.
(if you are using a box then buy a new one) 😉
I like the idea of warnings - perhaps they should try it here.
Cannot fathom out why you have a box looking at some games
whilst you are playing other games. Would that not slow down
your computer (I can hear the geeks laughing at me....)🙁
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Originally posted by greenpawn34not really. handling mouse IO and drawing moving pieces will take next to nothing from the CPU.
Cannot fathom out why you have a box looking at some games
whilst you are playing other games. Would that not slow down
your computer (I can hear the geeks laughing at me....)🙁
as to the why? well, if you set your engine looking at a complete game, 30s a move would already take something like 20 or 40 minutes, and it would still be only a shallow blunder check for tactics. that's almost an hour to kill.
do that for all your games from a tournament, and you'll be waiting for hours.
it's not something I'd bother to do, but that's pretty much the reality of it. lots of waiting to do.
Originally posted by range blastsYes, unfortunately the "CHEATING WILL RESULT IN BAN" message that you were seeing *was* a cryptic warning meant for you. Even though you didn't realize it, the taskswitching detection software was warning you not to taskswitch during games. In any one game, the software allows you a few task switches, but any more than that triggers the warning. But based on what I've seen in the past, you'll have your rating wiped a number of times before you actually get banned. What exactly happened in your case?
Well, I don't know what to say. First, I don't really... have any sort of access to any sort of chess engines, however, I may have been online on RHP or such. Also, I've seen warning such as CHEATING WILL RESULT IN BAN or something like that, but I just assumed it was an automated message, wrongly? Do you know how I could contact Holger?
I'm guessing that even if you've been banned, you can still log onto Playchess (might have to be as a guest), find Holger in the list of admins, and talk to him via private message. Just explain to him that you didn't realize the taskswitching rules and didn't realize that the cryptic messages were for you. I'm not sure what his decision will be. From my observations, decisions are based not so much on hard-and-fast rules as on a seat-of-the-pants case-by-case basis. Good luck.
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Originally posted by wormwoodSome people have claimed that they don't get flagged as often as others for taskswitching. I don't understand how the software could be that inconsistent. I do know that you're allowed several switches per game, so maybe some of those lucky people weren't hitting the switch limit per game.
I haven't played on playchess for a couple of years, but back then I had engine running on other games while blitzing, and never had any warnings nor trouble.
I don't believe there is such a thing as proposed, a chessbase client sniffing processes. not only because it would be illegal in many countries, but because it would be inefficient on a level that ...[text shortened]... to kill by blitzing while the engine is busy analysing past games. a completely useless idea.
As far as you not believing that the taskswitching software exists, I guess you can believe what you want, but I've seen it happen so often to so many people that I'm convinced it really does exist.
I think the basic idea of the taskswitching software is that it's a first cut to eliminate the unsophisticated cheaters who try to cheat the easiest way (enabling an engine on the same PC). Yes, it will have false positives and punish innocent people who aren't really cheating. But the answer to the false positive issue is that you're allowed several switches per game, and you're simply not supposed to taskswitch during your own games. Don't like it? Tough, them's the rules.
Once the taskswitching software reduces the number of unsophisticated cheaters, then the smarter cheaters who use other methods (such as using 2 PCs, etc) can be dealt with on an individual basis with the specialized matchup rate software.
Originally posted by range blastsI play at playchess and that message comes up when your playing a game and your on say rhp then playchess thinks your away from the game getting assistance and you get 3 warnings like that then your out.....
Well, I don't know what to say. First, I don't really... have any sort of access to any sort of chess engines, however, I may have been online on RHP or such. Also, I've seen warning such as CHEATING WILL RESULT IN BAN or something like that, but I just assumed it was an automated message, wrongly? Do you know how I could contact Holger?
Originally posted by Smiffyso it is true! wow! it's the most ridiculous thing I've heard since real spied on its users.
I play at playchess and that message comes up when your playing a game and your on say rhp then playchess thinks your away from the game getting assistance and you get 3 warnings like that then your out.....
Originally posted by Mad RookHmm, alright, though, how do I get a list of admins?
Yes, unfortunately the "CHEATING WILL RESULT IN BAN" message that you were seeing *was* a cryptic warning meant for you. Even though you didn't realize it, the taskswitching detection software was warning you not to taskswitch during games. In any one game, the software allows you a few task switches, but any more than that triggers the warning. But based o ...[text shortened]... o much on hard-and-fast rules as on a seat-of-the-pants case-by-case basis. Good luck.
Originally posted by range blastsI'd say plead your case to playchess.com as best you can, and If you can not be re instated then move on. There is RHP, ICCF, ICCMB and many other sites that you can play on. - bill718
Hi guys, just thought I'd ask if this was a "common" problem? Or is it a error in the database? I have recently been playing on playchess.com, and I was suspended for "using" an engine! However, the games I played, I have no idea how it could be mistaken for an engine's play, I also have never used an engine for purposes like that. I believe in playing ...[text shortened]... games or enter the main room? Is there a way I can contact Fritz and tell them about it?
Originally posted by range blastsIf you can't enter the main playing hall, you might try connecting to the "Help English" chat channel and just asking if a sysop can help you with your problem. If that doesn't work, I guess you could always send a server mail or e-mail to Holger. I'll PM his e-mail address to you.
Hmm, alright, though, how do I get a list of admins?
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Originally posted by no1marauderI often do other things while playing, like respond to messengers or change music. if it's a slower game I might even check my mail or switch to rhp forum. I can easily see how there can be a number of task switches during a game.
It sounds like a good, logical system; there's no reason to "multitask" while you are in the middle of playing a game at blitz or even standard time controls. You wouldn't be allowed to "multitask" on a PC in the middle of a round at an OTB tourney!
and surely 'multitasking' on a pc won't have the slightest chance of distracting the opponent.
Originally posted by wormwoodI agree, I often do hw, talk to friends, and such. I had no idea I wasn't allowed to.
I often do other things while playing, like respond to messengers or change music. if it's a slower game I might even check my mail or switch to rhp forum. I can easily see how there can be a number of task switches during a game.
and surely 'multitasking' on a pc won't have the slightest chance of distracting the opponent.