I also posted this in the KG forum, but maybe you guys have some ideas too...
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 and I ran into a dilemma on what to play, I chose 6.Bc4, but I also considered 6.d4 and 6.Nxg5.
I decided not to play 6.Nxg5 because of Nxe4.
However 6.d4 seems to have a lot going for it...
6.d4 d6 7.Nd3 Nxe4 8.Bxf4 Bg7 9.Be2!? h5 10.Nc3! (given in my DB as !)
After 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 you can try also 6.Bc4 and after 6...d5 (I dont see anything better for black) 7.exd5 and if 7....Nxd5 then 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nc3! with better position for white - 8...Nxc3? 9.dxc3 (after 9.Bxf7+ Kf8 10.dxc3 white have better position but 9.dxc3 is much better) Bxh4+ 10.Kf1 winning e.g. 10....0-0 11.Nxf7 Rxf7 12.Rxh4!
Originally posted by KorchI chose 6.Bc4, but I think your variation isn't best - or at least unlikely. Why wouldn't white just play 6..d5 7.exd5 Bg7 (I don't think Nxd5 is very common, is it?) 8.d4.
After 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 you can try also 6.Bc4 and after 6...d5 (I dont see anything better for black) 7.exd5 and if 7....Nxd5 then 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nc3! with better position for white - 8...Nxc3? 9.dxc3 (after 9.Bxf7+ Kf8 10.dxc3 white have better position but 9.dxc3 is much better) Bxh4+ 10.Kf1 winning e.g. 10....0-0 11.Nxf7 Rxf7 12.Rxh4!
Or, the mainline (I think..) 7...Bd6 8.O-O Bxe5 9.Re1 Qe7 10.c3 - Rice Gambit.
Originally posted by cmsMasterAfter 7....Bd6 white can play also 8.d4. for example 8...Nh5 9.0-0 Qxh4 10.Qe1 Qxe1 11.Qxe1 0-0 12.Nc3 with about equal position. Similar moves (only with bishop on g7) can be played in case of 7...Bg7
I chose 6.Bc4, but I think your variation isn't best - or at least unlikely. Why wouldn't white just play 6..d5 7.exd5 Bg7 (I don't think Nxd5 is very common, is it?) 8.d4.
Or, the mainline (I think..) 7...Bd6 8.O-O Bxe5 9.Re1 Qe7 10.c3 - Rice Gambit.
In my opinion Rise gambit are giving for white no more than draw.
Originally posted by KorchHm, I'm not sure, I don't have much experience in this line of the Kieseritzky - seems everybody plays 5...d6.
After 7....Bd6 white can play also 8.d4. for example 8...Nh5 9.0-0 Qxh4 10.Qe1 Qxe1 11.Qxe1 0-0 12.Nc3 with about equal position. Similar moves (only with bishop on g7) can be played in case of 7...Bg7
In my opinion Rise gambit are giving for white no more than draw.
Originally posted by KorchIt's pretty solid, IMO, I've played it pretty thoroughly over the past 7 months with pretty good results. And I plan to keep using it, and start hitting theory pretty hard around February (A new KG book is coming out in Feb.) but I've also started slowly adding the Ruy Lopez to my repertoire (with 8.a4 anti-Marshall and 9.d4 mainline).
I have played Kings gambit before, but now I`m playing them only against much weaker opponents which i wanna to crush faster 🙂
Originally posted by cmsMasterI've just realised how off topic we are - which sixth move for white do you think is best? 6.Bc4?
It's pretty solid, IMO, I've played it pretty thoroughly over the past 7 months with pretty good results. And I plan to keep using it, and start hitting theory pretty hard around February (A new KG book is coming out in Feb.) but I've also started slowly adding the Ruy Lopez to my repertoire (with 8.a4 anti-Marshall and 9.d4 mainline).
I will give this question a serious shot.
I prefer 6. d4 to 6. Bc4, but I haven't given it all that much thought.
I always thought 1. e4 e5 2. f4 ef 3. Nf3 g5 4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 Nf6 6. Bc4 d5 7. ed Bd6 8. d4 0-0! was good for Black based on some crazy lines that happen after 9. 0-0 Nh5 10. Ng4 Qh4 11. Nh2 Ng3! 12. Re1 Bf5!
Check out the game De La Villa - Am. Rodriquez if you can find. I think in your 6. d4 line given, I would play 9. c3. Who knows though...
Originally posted by cmsMaster6. Bc4 definately. Consider no other as it keeps pressure on f7 longer than the alternatives, although with best play black will equalise or as in Game 2869494 will destroy white (No comments - in progress)
I also posted this in the KG forum, but maybe you guys have some ideas too...
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 and I ran into a dilemma on what to play, I chose 6.Bc4, but I also considered 6.d4 and 6.Nxg5.
I decided not to play 6.Nxg5 because of Nxe4.
However 6.d4 seems to have a lot going for it...
6.d4 d6 7.Nd3 Nxe4 8.Bxf4 Bg7 ...[text shortened]... ven in my DB as !)
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Originally posted by !~TONY~!Yeah, I'm agreeing with Tony on this point. One of the reasons I wasn't sure about 6.Bc4 is that I don't actually get the point of it, I mean you KNOW that black can just play d5 and block it off completely, it reminds me of the 3.Bc4 variation with 3...d5 and the bishop is cut off. That's why 6.d4 seemed to have so much merit. However, a search through top players games on this site shows that the position I gave has only been reached twice by players rated 1900 on this site - one of the games was DragonFire's - a win for white. The other was Cludi's - another win for white, and they both played 6.Bc4, so it must have something going for it.
Haha, the pressure on f7 is moot and the bishop looks absolutely dumb after 6..d5! 7. ed Bd6!