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  1. 01 Feb '06 23:11
    I like the aggressive nature of this opening. And the fact that it puts you in a aggressive postion early on, of course the opponent has good options.

    I'm familiar with the first 4 moves say but what should I be aiming for in between say moves 5-15? Are their any tricks with this opening?
  2. 02 Feb '06 00:34 / 2 edits
    If you're going to play the King's Gambit you're obviously a slightly risky player. There are a few basic ideas that you ight want to consider.

    When someone play's KG against me I play a version of the falkbeer countergambit.

    1. e4 e5
    2. f4 d5!?
    3. exd5 exf4

    Here as white you don't want to give black an excuse to activate his c pawn. Develop pieces and try and press a little with the forward pawn.

    Another variation to watch out for is Fischer's Berlin Defense Deffered. (Given with Fischer's annotation on move strength)

    1.e4 e5
    2.f4 exf4
    3.Nf3 d6!
    4.Bc4 h6!
    5.d4 g5
    6.O-O Bg7
    7.c3 Nc6
    8.Qb3 Qe7
    9. h4 Nf6
    10.hxg5 hxg5
    11.Nxg5 Nxe4
    12.Bxf7+ Kd8
    13. Nxe4 Qxe4
    14.Bxf4 Nxd4 and Black is winning.

    At levels of play like ours, usually expert and below, the positional advantages in SOME opening lines are miniscule and hard to ake advantage of. My advice in general with the KG is to take advantage of the time black has wasted capturing the pawn bby developing and castling.

    As I am not a King's Gambiteer myself, I ahve little to offer for how to play as white, but I have a few tricks I can warn you against.
  3. 02 Feb '06 01:06
    personally, if i was white, and i played the kings gambit, i would surrender
  4. 02 Feb '06 05:19
    Originally posted by estonian3
    I like the aggressive nature of this opening. And the fact that it puts you in a aggressive postion early on, of course the opponent has good options.

    I'm familiar with the first 4 moves say but what should I be aiming for in between say moves 5-15? Are their any tricks with this opening?
    I have an annotated game in my chess lessons in the Chess thread. It a king's gambit played by morphy. Might help you.
  5. 02 Feb '06 05:42
    It's not my cup of tea either. But anything spanning 10 ECO numbers can't be all that bad.
  6. 03 Feb '06 08:28
    I just started playing it and after about 10 games, even against good players, I have won all of them. The opening is very tactical, and a lot of fun to play.

    I don't think I will use it as my main opening, but rather as a nice surprise and for tactical training.
  7. 03 Feb '06 13:50
    If you like the tactical aspect of it. I reccomend the kings bishop gambit variation...

    1.e4 e5
    2. f4 exf4
    3. Bc4



    If you were a USCF member, Susan Polgar had a colum on it in one of her opening colums early last year (April?).

    Anyway I consider this a fun alternative to the usual 3.Nf3 and it can get very very tactical very quickly.
  8. 03 Feb '06 15:13
    It seems intersting and I considered it. But I was really discouraged by the fact that after Bc4 Hiarcs 10 evaluates the position as -1.27 (due to Qh4 and Nc6) compared to -0.53 with Nf3. Such discrepancy gives me little confidence in the Bc4 line. It's a shame because it looked intersting.
  9. 03 Feb '06 15:31
    Originally posted by exigentsky
    It seems intersting and I considered it. But I was really discouraged by the fact that after Bc4 Hiarcs 10 evaluates the position as -1.27 (due to Qh4 and Nc6) compared to -0.53 with Nf3. Such discrepancy gives me little confidence in the Bc4 line. It's a shame because it looked intersting.
    You really shouldn't take much notice of engines in wellknown opening positions. As someone who has played the King's Gambit for years, both 3.Nf3 and 3.Bc4, including OTB against IMs and GMs, I would say that the relative merits are as follows:
    3.Bc4 has in general less theory to learn and fewer critical lines. It is, in a way, safer, since it is harder for black to play to hold on to the gawn with g7-g5. On the other hand, it is probably less ambitious than 3.Nf3 and easier for black to demonstrate equality against.
  10. 03 Feb '06 15:56
    Intersting, I will consider it more seriously.

    Also, I think you should know that after 5 minutes of analysis, Hiarcs changed the evaluation for Bc4 to -0.62 which is significantly better for White than before. Perhaps engines just suck in complex opening positions...
  11. 03 Feb '06 16:04
    In the Bc4 line, I prefer that my opponents play Qh4+. After Kf1 all they have done is wasted a tempi or two (my knight will come out with tempo). I consider it to be the least challenging of the lines.
  12. 03 Feb '06 16:18
    But aren't you worried a little about your king not being able to castle queenside? (this is what I usually do in the KG)
  13. 03 Feb '06 17:10 / 2 edits
    WOW! I just played the most amazing King's Gambit Game on ICC. Check this out:

    [Event "ICC 15 15 u Internet Chess Club"]
    [White "guest3929"]
    [Black "guest4355"]
    [Result "1-0"]

    1. e4 e5
    2. f4 exf4
    3. Nf3 d5
    4. exd5 Nf6
    5. Bc4 Nxd5
    6. O-O Be7
    7. d4 O-O
    8. Bxd5 Qxd5
    9. Bxf4 c5
    10. Nc3 Qc6
    11. d5 Qa6
    12. d6 Bf6
    13. Nd5 Nd7
    14. Bg5 Bxg5
    15. Nxg5 Nf6
    16. Rxf6 g6
    17. Qf3 {Black resigns} 1-0

    This opening is so agressive! It's very hard for a draw to happen and it is easy for Black to fall into a hopeless position with just one wrong move. (more so than for White)
  14. 03 Feb '06 18:10
    Originally posted by exigentsky
    But aren't you worried a little about your king not being able to castle queenside? (this is what I usually do in the KG)
    Castle??? Ijust mate the enemy. Actually I almost never castle queenside. I castle short or not at all.
  15. 03 Feb '06 18:26
    That works too! ;p But it's not so easy if your opponent is good.