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Hi, I was looking at the King's Indian Defence and there seem to be a lot of possible White setups to combat it. Which setup against the King's Indian Defence after 1.d4 Nf6 is your favourite, and why?

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I use the Bayonet attack when it comes up (1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. b4) - there's nothing wrong with the other lines; I chose this because I only recently started playing 1.d4 after 10 years of playing 1.e4, and I could see the point of the move, and to be honest liked the name of the variation; the choice was fairly arbitrary. You need to chose opening lines on the basis that you feel comfortable with the resultant positions and can find functioning plans; liking the name is a tertiary consideration. If you find the moves in an opening intuitively right that means it's the opening for you - ignore GM (=genetically modified? How far has cheating gone in chess!) advice about openings if you don't feel like you can emulate their play in that line.

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Originally posted by lukemcmullan
Hi, I was looking at the King's Indian Defence and there seem to be a lot of possible White setups to combat it. Which setup against the King's Indian Defence after 1.d4 Nf6 is your favourite, and why?
I'm looking for advice on this as well. I love the KID as black, but try to stay away from it as I tend to be planless as white.

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Game 1541504 went quite well for me when a Reti or KIA transposed into a KID

Game 1488242 is more typical of my approach against the KID, but atypical as to result.

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Originally posted by DeepThought
I use the Bayonet attack when it comes up (1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. b4) - there's nothing wrong with the other lines; I chose this because I only recently started playing 1.d4 after 10 years of playing 1.e4, and I could see the point of the move, and to be honest liked the name of the variation; t ...[text shortened]... chess!) advice about openings if you don't feel like you can emulate their play in that line.
I would probably play 7...exd4. I think I might find 7. d5 worrysome. Any time White manages to make the Pawn chain on e4, e5, d5 and d6, I find I get suffocated and then he breaks through on the Queenside. Pushing b4 annoys me a lot, because I like to post a Knight on c5.

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When I used to play 1. d4 in the past, the Four Pawns Attack is my favourite setup - and you usually end up with 2 Ps (after exchanges) as a battering ram down the centre of the board like a bunch of hooligans through a police cordon.

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Originally posted by lukemcmullan
Hi, I was looking at the King's Indian Defence and there seem to be a lot of possible White setups to combat it. Which setup against the King's Indian Defence after 1.d4 Nf6 is your favourite, and why?
Trompowsky, the Anti-Indian! (says it all.)

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Originally posted by schakuhr
Trompowsky, the Anti-Indian! (says it all.)
Yea I've never been fond of playing anti-Indian lines. Although there is the advantage of taking Black out of his prepared lines, I prefer to play c4 and Nc3 in case Black feels like transposing to the Queen's Gambit (my favourite opening).

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I play the king's Indian with black and white and I do a lot of opening analysis myself. (because al of the books are filled with errors) I think this line is most dangerous for black.

1.d4 – nf6
2.c4 – g6
3.nc3- bg7
4.e4 – d6
5.nf3 – 0-0
6.be2 – e5
7. o-o – nc6
8. d5 – ne7
9. ne1 – nd7
10. be3 – f5
11. f3



I think white has a good advantage here.

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Saemisch line for white is good. (white plays an early f3)

With queenside castling by white the game can be an aggressive race to mate on opposite wings. Black must be aware of this dangerous option for white.

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Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard


1.d4 – nf6
2.c4 – g6
3.nc3- bg7
4.e4 – d6
5.nf3 – 0-0
6.be2 – e5
7. o-o – nc6
8. d5 – ne7
9. ne1 – nd7
10. be3 – f5
11. f3

[fen]r1bq1rk1/pppnn1bp/3p2p1/3Ppp2/2P1P3/2N1BP2/PP2B1PP/R2QNRK1 w [/fen]

I think white has a good advantage here.
Skilled KID-players love positions like that.

11...f4 followed by g- and h-pawns gives black great attacking chances...

Of course white has that desperate b4 followed by c5 on the queenside, but as both kings are on the kingside, black`s attack is usually more dangerous. Also white has to be really careful, because if black gets a chance to close the position (block white pawns) on the queenside, it is practically game over for white...

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Originally posted by Jusuh
Skilled KID-players love positions like that.

11...f4 followed by g- and h-pawns gives black great attacking chances...

Of course white has that desperate b4 followed by c5 on the queenside, but as both kings are on the kingside, black`s attack is usually more dangerous. Also white has to be really careful, because if black gets a chance to close the position (block white pawns) on the queenside, it is practically game over for white...
True, the biggest problem for black is that white's attack is quicker and black will have to sacrifice material on the queenside or try to defend there before he attacks on the kingside.

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So why not castle on queenside?

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Originally posted by lukemcmullan
Hi, I was looking at the King's Indian Defence and there seem to be a lot of possible White setups to combat it. Which setup against the King's Indian Defence after 1.d4 Nf6 is your favourite, and why?
Check out the London System.
1.d4 d5
2.KNf3 KNf6
3. Bf4

This is a solid system for white, that gets you into a middlegame.
The latest book is by Johnsen and Kovacevic.
Theres a book by Soltis called the London System (which im selling right now in my ebay store)

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Originally posted by Grandmouster
Check out the London System.
1.d4 d5
2.KNf3 KNf6
3. Bf4

This is a solid system for white, that gets you into a middlegame.
The latest book is by Johnsen and Kovacevic.
Theres a book by Soltis called the London System (which im selling right now in my ebay store)
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1 tablespoons olive oil
1 whole chicken, breasts removed and reserved
2 onions
2 quarts boiling water
Salt
2 bay leaves
1 large carrot
1 celery stalk
1/2 teaspoon dried thyme
1/4 cup fresh parsley leaves
Ground pepper
PREP WORK

You could use the breast meat in this soup recipe but I prefer to cook them separately in another recipe. If you do use them, wait until the soup is almost finished and then add them back to the pot until they are cooked through. Should only take about 8 to 10 minutes.

Dice the onion. Peel the carrots and cut them as well as the celery into 1/4 to 1/2 inch pieces then mince the fresh parsley leaves.
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