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you gotta give it up for ole Vlady! that last game of the match with Leko was like a Kasparovian blitzkrieg! He rose to the occasion when he needed to...and boy, did he need to if he wanted to have a shot at furthering his immortality quotient.

if you haven't yet, check it out on chessbase.com

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Yeah, interesting match. I kinda feel bad for Leko. I think there should be no ties, it should be fought out in some sudden death rapid games.

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Yeah, interesting match. I kinda feel bad for Leko. I think there should be no ties, it should be fought out in some sudden death rapid games.
No way! I'm a traditionalist on this one - no rapid stuff for the WCC.

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So what next? I lose track. Is the whole unification thing still going on? Will vlad play kasparov at some point? (if so, I must admit, I hope kasparov whops him)

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Yeah, interesting match. I kinda feel bad for Leko. I think there should be no ties, it should be fought out in some sudden death rapid games.
If nothing else, Leko has shown that he is right up there with the super GM's.

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Leko is probably kicking himself for taking another draw in game 12 when he had an advantage.

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Originally posted by paultopia
So what next? I lose track. Is the whole unification thing still going on? Will vlad play kasparov at some point? (if so, I must admit, I hope kasparov whops him)
I'm pretty sure the whole reunification thing is still on - and that's such a mouth-watering prospect.

Personally, I hope Kramnik beats Kasparov at his own game (and if game 14 proves anything, it's that Kramnik is no kid in the creativity department). Is Kramnik still the only GM with a positive W/L record against Kaspy?

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Originally posted by paultopia
So what next? I lose track. Is the whole unification thing still going on? Will vlad play kasparov at some point? (if so, I must admit, I hope kasparov whops him)
I think Kasparov has to get through some guy named something like Khazizidiminovoizimnovov. Then, whoever wins that play Vlad for the championship.

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
No way! I'm a traditionalist on this one - no rapid stuff for the WCC.
I agree,no rapid stuff.But why does the reigning champion get to keep the title when the match is tied?That's an unfair advantage!He has not shown he is better than the challenger,yet he is the winner.A match for the world title should be played 'till one has a certain amount,say 6 or 10,of wins.

Kasparov plays Kasimdzhanov.Winner plays kramnik.Wether or not that match ever happens remains to be seen.

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
I agree,no rapid stuff.But why does the reigning champion get to keep the title when the match is tied?That's an unfair advantage!He has not shown he is better than the challenger,yet he is the winner.A match for the world title should be played 'till one has a certain amount,say 6 or 10,of wins.

Kasparov plays Kasimdzhanov.Winner plays kramnik.Wether or not that match ever happens remains to be seen.
Ok, maybe the rapid stuff was a bit ridiculous, but I agree. No match should end in a tie. This isn't hockey. If it's tied at the end, they should either do what SirLoseALot said or play for the next win is the winner.

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
[b]I agree,no rapid stuff.But why does the reigning champion get to keep the title when the match is tied?That's an unfair advantage!He has not shown he is better than the challenger,yet he is the winner.A match for the world title should be played 'till one has a certain amount,say 6 or 10,of wins.
If I remember correctly they used to do this a long time ago but the problem was that matches went on for months with neither player willing to take risks there was draw after draw after draw.

No organiser/sponsor is willing to promote endless games for an indeterminate period of time.

Quick play is a bit like penalty shoot outs in soccer, not ideal but at least you get a result.

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Well, the point is that Kramnik was, before the Leko match, world champion, the established best player in the world, because he beat Kasparov. Leko however is yet to defeat a world champion, so Kramnik, having the last actual win in a Classical Championship Match remains champion because he did beat Kasparov and Leko has never beat a world champion.

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I agree that there should be a greater than zero win/loss ratio for the person who gets the title in the championship.

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Originally posted by colleman
If I remember correctly they used to do this a long time ago but the problem was that matches went on for months with neither player willing to take risks there was draw after draw after draw.

No organiser/sponsor is willing to promote endless games for an indeterminate period of time.

Quick play is a bit like penalty shoot outs in soccer, not ideal but at least you get a result.
Long ago?Not at all,I believe Karpov was the last to play a match to 6 wins,for the world title.Too lazy to look up against who,was it korchnoi?I think it was the first match he played for the title,not counting 'the match that never happened',against Fischer.
The endless duration of a match,when using this system,is a problem indeed.A solution might be to not allow quick draws.Let's say,a game has to be played out untill a drawn endgame is reached.Which endgames are drawn can be determined in the rules.Problem is,I don't think any top player would ever agree to that.

Gambitzoid,it is true that Leko never beat a world champion in a match.But the champion didn't beat Leko!Leko proved he's at least just as good.I just feel there has to be a result other than a tie.

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
Long ago?Not at all,I believe Karpov was the last to play a match to 6 wins,for the world title.Too lazy to look up against who,was it korchnoi?I think it was the first match he played for the title,not counting 'the match that never happened',against Fischer.
The endless duration of a match,when using this system,is a problem indeed.A solution might ...[text shortened]... Leko proved he's at least just as good.I just feel there has to be a result other than a tie.
Actually last such match was the first Karpov-Kasparov match. And it was literally endless😀