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  1. 08 Jun '08 13:26 / 7 edits
    Thread Thread 94980


    Last time I appeared in this Forum I jumped in with
    my size nines after briefly looking at a game and got it
    all beautifully wrong. This time I’ve looked at the game.

    But first “..Greenpawn has a FIDE grade of 2000.”

    Any clown can get an over 2000 FIDE rating. You can buy one!

    All you have to do is enter FIDE rated tournaments.
    If you do not have a FIDE rating then they give you a provisional
    rating of 2200.

    My Fide grade is 2063 (I think) so infact you could say my
    FIDE rating is – 137.

    So forget grades.

    “You cannot put a number on a brain.” Bronstein.

    So onto this Strategic ‘Tacticless’ Masterpiece

    I count 3 pure tactical moves. Three moves played whose considerations
    were solely tactical. Not part of some deep plan. One shot tactics.

    5….Qg5 double attack
    11…Bxf3+ desperado
    13. Nxc7+ double attack

    There are a few others but you can say they were played for another reason.
    7.d3 discovered attack – but also a developing move to restrain the pawn on d4.

    Black lost this game because of a hat trick of blunders moves 8-10.

    8…dxc3 helping White develop with a threat (Nd5).
    9…Bd4 moving piece twice in the opening-missing the threat (Nd5).
    10…Qe5 missing the strong reply (10…Qd8 was forced).

    White took full advantage of Black’s woeful play and punished him tactically.

    The moment the a8 Rook was lost the game was over.
    End of argument, what followed was a cat playing with a dead mouse.
    You will find more tactical moves but the game is over – I stopped counting.

    White had a chances to shine, a chances to bring a wee bit of class into
    the game and at the same time show us that he was in full control both tactically
    and strategically . He failed.

    13.Nxc7+ was not the best move. You are winning a rook but moving a
    well placed knight to stick it out of the way on a8. Is there anything better?

    13.Qc5! Now there is a chess player’s move.



    You are not threatening to win the Rook. (and misplace your Knight).

    You are threatening mate. Nxc7+ Qf8 mate. And once your opponent has seen that.
    Look. You are also threatening Nxc7+ winning the unprotected Black Queen on h5
    .Black is really in a mess here.

    It was a tactician does.. He scans the board looking for unprotected pieces
    and if he find one , he sees if there is anyway to take advantage of it.
    When I ‘clicked’ through this game I saw it right away.

    The root of most non-mating combinations is an unprotected piece.
    Train yourself to start looking for these babies. They pop up time and time again.

    If you want to give one piece of advice to a beginner then let it be
    ‘Try not put your pieces on unprotected squares.’

    So let us look for the strategic themes that were employed in this game.

    Well there were none. The game only lasted 13 moves (13. Nc7+ 1-0).
    At move 8 the blunders started appearing and were dealt with tactically.

    To start looking for deep strategic plans before one is fully developed is silly.

    Let us have a little look at the opening. (It’s all we can look at.)

    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nd5!?

    The Bird. It has it’s own flock of dedicated followers.
    (I’ve been waiting years to slip that pun in).

    Two cracking traps in here boys. Well worth knowing.

    4.Bc4 b5? (has been played on a few occasions.)

    5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nxd4 and the Knight cannot be recaptured because
    the Rook on a8 is lost.

    After 3…Nd5 4.Bc4

    Black can try 4…c6 or 4…b6 or even the ‘I’m a duffer’ 4…Rb8

    And if White falls for it. 5.Nxe4?

    Then he has been caught in the dreaded Blackburne Shilling Gambit.

    4….Rb8 5.Nxe5 Qg5 6.Nxf7 Qxg2 7.Rf1 Qxe4+ 8.Be2 Nf3 mate.

    A trap that catches out players day in day all over the world.

    It usually appears after the move order;
    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nd4 4.Nxe5 etc.

    One should always be alert for such trappy trans positions. Especially
    Black traps which can work for White a tempo up.

    4.Nxd5 ….

    Probably best. It’s certainly the move of most GM’s when they face this.

    4….exd5 5.c3 …

    Poor Robbie got a bit of a pasting for this. It’s alright. It’s a known move.
    Nothing wrong with it. 5.0-0 is the choice move.
    It was not the cause of Black’s loss. Black’s moves 8-9 & 10 were.

    5…Qg5 6.Bf1 Bc5 7.d3 Qf6 8.Qe2 dxc3

    This is the start of the trio of blunder 8…d6 8…Ne7 were better

    After 8…dxc3 we know what happened next. Two more bad moves
    followed and White kicked him.

    There is nothing left to say. Except I cannot not see the deep strategic plan
    that is within this game. Maybe it’s because I’m just a hacker with a
    -137 FIDE grade.

    “Chess is 99% tactics.” Richard Teichmann (1868-1925)

    (lots of Edits trying to the FEN thingy working - there must be an easier way)
  2. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    08 Jun '08 13:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    (lots of Edits trying to the FEN thingy working - there must be an easier way)
    the easiest way is to create the position on a pgn-viewer like winboard, copy position, paste it here between [fen ][/fen ] tags or by using the 'insert board from FEN' link under 'post'-button.

    you can have only one fen per post.



    your game link doesn't work (nonexisting game id?) and your 'bird' moves seem to be all wrong?
  3. 08 Jun '08 14:13 / 2 edits
    Game linked OK at first - possibly deleted.

    Moves seem OK - Where wrong?

    (you are not thinking of Bird's other opening 1.f4)

    As for FEN - Bah!
  4. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    08 Jun '08 14:47 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Game linked OK at first - possibly deleted.

    Moves seem OK - Where wrong?

    (you are not thinking of Bird's other opening 1.f4)

    As for FEN - Bah!
    well 3...Nd5 is illegal, and as you were talking about bird I thought maybe you meant to write 1.f4 d5 or something... I know I get that kind of brain freeze often (and it's sunday), so I wasn't sure...

    so that's Nd4 then, right?
  5. 08 Jun '08 14:53
    Originally posted by wormwood
    well 3...Nd5 is illegal, and as you were talking about bird I thought maybe you meant to write 1.f4 d5 or something... I know I get that kind of brain freeze often (and it's sunday), so I wasn't sure...

    so that's Nd4 then, right?
    Yeah, I'm sure he meant Nd4, which is the Bird's Defense in the Ruy. (or Bird's Defence says my Batsford's MCO for you Brits.)
  6. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    08 Jun '08 15:01
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    Yeah, I'm sure he meant Nd4, which is the Bird's Defense in the Ruy. (or Bird's Defence says my Batsford's MCO for you Brits.)
    oh, okay then, that makes sense. I don't play ruy so didn't know about the other bird...
  7. 08 Jun '08 15:03
    Hmmm it is 3...Nd4 Oops.
    Cannot Edit now - never mind

    You saw what I wrote but knew what I meant.
    (at least it proves I don't use an engine - perhaps I should!)
  8. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    08 Jun '08 15:07
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Hmmm it is 3...Nd4 Oops.
    Cannot Edit now - never mind

    You saw what I wrote but knew what I meant.
    (at least it proves I don't use an engine - perhaps I should!)
    I would've just assumed Nd4 but the talk about bird (and moving the knight 2nd time) threw me off...
  9. 08 Jun '08 15:19
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Thread Thread 94980


    Last time I appeared in this Forum I jumped in with
    my size nines after briefly looking at a game and got it
    all beautifully wrong. This time I’ve looked at the game.

    But first “..Greenpawn has a FIDE grade of 2000.”

    Any clown can get an over 2000 FIDE rating. You can buy one!

    All you have to do ...[text shortened]... nn (1868-1925)

    (lots of Edits trying to the FEN thingy working - there must be an easier way)
    ah my eminent friend, I thank you for taking the time to view, your anylasis betrays the folly of a tacticians viewpoint and while immensely entertaining and joyfully proverbial, alas it fails on every level to explain to a lower rated player, (thats me), why studying tactics will help him in the thought process after he plays his opening move. These moves, I later discovered were played in another game by two master level players, see squelchbelts post about chess resource. chess365.com

    Vaddadi, Seshagiri (2058)
    Pugh, Derek (2080)
    Event: BCF-chT4 0304 (4NCL)
    Site: West Bromwich
    Round: 1.1 Date: 11/22/2003

    yes 13.Qc5 was a better move, not because of tactics, how would i know I hear you ask, and you would be correct, how would I know, quite simply because it peruses the strategical plan, formulated at the outset, of trying for a dark squared queen side initiative against the STRATEGICALLY week point c7 does it not.

    oh tacticians everywhere, you are alien descendants from another world, cyber borgs, machines with some organic elements trying to assimilate us into your world of tactical collective consciousness of pins, skewers and mating patterns!
  10. 08 Jun '08 15:21
    I WAS wondering who Daddy was in Robbie's thread. Thankfully, at least that issue's been cleared up.
  11. 08 Jun '08 15:28
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Thread Thread 94980


    Last time I appeared in this Forum I jumped in with
    my size nines after briefly looking at a game and got it
    all beautifully wrong. This time I’ve looked at the game.

    But first “..Greenpawn has a FIDE grade of 2000.”

    Any clown can get an over 2000 FIDE rating. You can buy one!

    All you have to do ...[text shortened]... nn (1868-1925)

    (lots of Edits trying to the FEN thingy working - there must be an easier way)
    I very rarely rec anything in the chess only forum but this deserves one
  12. 08 Jun '08 15:58
    Hi Son.

    You quoted the game.

    Vaddadi, Seshagiri (2058)
    Pugh, Derek (2080)
    Event: BCF-chT4 0304 (4NCL)
    Site: West Bromwich

    Calling them Masters. (ahem). (players under 2200 are Not Masters)

    How about Bacrot (2712) - Alexander (2743) Biel 2004.
    These are Grandmasters. Who after the moves

    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nd4 4.Nxd4 exd4
    played 5. 0-0 the move I hinted as being the best.

    Now I'll get in touch with them and tell them they should
    be playing against a dark weakness somewhere on
    the Queenside instead of all this 5. 0-0 nonsense.

    I'll tell It happened in a game between two 2000 players!
    (I'm a 2000 player and I cannot even get standard notation right.)

    Your game was a tactical trammash (a good Scots word that).

    Please do not try and raise it any higher than what it was.

    I am worried about your opponent who now thinks he was
    positionally outplayed and is booking up on weak pawns,
    pawn structure etc etc.

    When he should be looking at simple tactics.

    (Slippers you got me for Father's Day too tight - sending them back)

    Dad
  13. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    08 Jun '08 18:13
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Thread Thread 94980


    Last time I appeared in this Forum I jumped in with
    my size nines after briefly looking at a game and got it
    all beautifully wrong. This time I’ve looked at the game.

    But first “..Greenpawn has a FIDE grade of 2000.”

    Any clown can get an over 2000 FIDE rating. You can buy one!

    All you have to do ...[text shortened]... nn (1868-1925)

    (lots of Edits trying to the FEN thingy working - there must be an easier way)
    Rec`ed.

    Although I would say that Teichmann exaggerates.

    Strategy is becoming more important in higher levels, but in the beginners and weak amateurs level tactic is the most important thing.
  14. 08 Jun '08 18:25 / 1 edit
    " but in the beginners and weak amateurs level tactic is the
    most important thing."



    Thank You.
  15. 08 Jun '08 18:29
    Originally posted by Korch
    Rec`ed.

    Although I would say that Teichmann exaggerates.

    Strategy is becoming more important in higher levels, but in the beginners and weak amateurs level tactic is the most important thing.
    there are words that i could say to this sir, however i fear that i would be wasting not only my time but yours also, so i will spare you and refrain, my adopted father has stated his views and i must return to my room, sit in the corner without any supper and watch a Roman Dzindzichashvili video just to reassure me that there are others as insane as you lot!