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  1. 15 Jun '07 14:01
    Game 3599000

    I just cant find anywhere it went wrong

    At the end, f6 was played to lose a pawn but keep better position and bishop pair, BxN would quickly fall apart and lose im pretty sure of that. So the game seems lost by then anyway, right?

    My opponent is a GM and personally thinks that the gambit by black is unsound and white can with perfect play force a victory, though he isnt certain of it he is pretty convinced that black cannot draw if white plays perfectly.
    I didnt know if anyone here would be able to disagree or offer any alternate moves etc for black, it would be appreciated.
    And no i dont genuinely think this game is a refutation of the gambit, but can't see where i could have improved!
  2. 15 Jun '07 14:21
    heh GM. right... heh yeah sure whateva. GM...suuuree.

    I am the long lost son of Boris Jeltsin.
  3. 15 Jun '07 14:22
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    heh GM. right... heh yeah sure whateva. GM...suuuree.

    I am the long lost son of Boris Jeltsin.
    How unfortunate.
  4. 15 Jun '07 14:24
    Originally posted by mazziewag
    How unfortunate.
    Yes. Fortunately my mom is Carmen Electra. Go figure.
  5. 15 Jun '07 14:47
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    sure...gm norms...yeah right... whatever..heh
  6. 15 Jun '07 14:58 / 1 edit
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    I am shocked you have not said "just kidding" yet. We all know you, 1900 RHP player, are not becoming GM. Also I am pretty sure you dont have any norms at all. They are extremely hard to achieve, especially if one is club player.

    Oh and btw...whats your elo rating Smaug?
  7. 15 Jun '07 15:05
    yeah right. and you think I was being serious?

    I am also very disappointed on you.
  8. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    15 Jun '07 15:31
    Originally posted by mazziewag
    Game 3599000

    I just cant find anywhere it went wrong

    At the end, f6 was played to lose a pawn but keep better position and bishop pair, BxN would quickly fall apart and lose im pretty sure of that. So the game seems lost by then anyway, right?

    My opponent is a GM and personally thinks that the gambit by black is unsound and white can with ...[text shortened]... inely think this game is a refutation of the gambit, but can't see where i could have improved!
    Why do you play g5? The other thing that seems against your own plan (a kingside attack, or else why play the gambit?) you react to white's counterplay on the queenside and lose the initiative. It was more important to keep building threats I think.
  9. 15 Jun '07 15:49
    Originally posted by Exuma
    Why do you play g5? The other thing that seems against your own plan (a kingside attack, or else why play the gambit?) you react to white's counterplay on the queenside and lose the initiative. It was more important to keep building threats I think.
    Possibly, but it was to prevent Rh4 dislodging the queen, it seemed neccessary.
    As for whether or not he is a GM, it doesnt really matter, he is the most knowledgable player i have faced on this site still, and so his claim that black has made no errors is still worth investigating.
  10. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    15 Jun '07 16:25
    I see g5 to stop the rook. After 10 a4, why not Nf6? Attacks the rook again, and threatens to come in on g4 with threats against h2...
  11. Standard member Yuga
    Renaissance
    15 Jun '07 16:35 / 1 edit
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    I recall that many super-GM's have used it recently (including Leko, Anand, even Kramnik in blindfold), but an analysis of the game below would be very interesting.

    Vladimir Kramnik vs Levon Aronian (2007)
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1459869

    - As someone who plays the white side of the Ruy, I feel that chess wouldn't be fair if white couldn't refute this gambit.
  12. 15 Jun '07 16:48
    Did you consider 10... Nf4, and if so what did you come up with? I'm too lazy/not smart enough to figure out what would happen, but it looks kind of interesting.
  13. 15 Jun '07 17:01
    Originally posted by mazziewag
    Game 3599000

    I just cant find anywhere it went wrong

    At the end, f6 was played to lose a pawn but keep better position and bishop pair, BxN would quickly fall apart and lose im pretty sure of that. So the game seems lost by then anyway, right?

    My opponent is a GM and personally thinks that the gambit by black is unsound and white can with ...[text shortened]... inely think this game is a refutation of the gambit, but can't see where i could have improved!
    Where you went wrong was responding to the Queenside play by White. Nf6 to attack the rook again is what is usually played there. See this game where Leko actually beat Kramink fairly easily with the black side of it:

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1309482
  14. 15 Jun '07 17:03
    Originally posted by mcreynolds
    Did you consider 10... Nf4, and if so what did you come up with? I'm too lazy/not smart enough to figure out what would happen, but it looks kind of interesting.
    I dismissed this pretty quickly as the following moves seem forced, though i didnt look into it that much so i may have missed something.

    1. Nf4? gxf4
    2. Bxf4 Rxf4
    3. gxf4 Qf3 and it looks pretty hopeless for black
  15. 15 Jun '07 17:04
    Originally posted by Leaadas
    Where you went wrong was responding to the Queenside play by White. Nf6 to attack the rook again is what is usually played there. See this game where Leko actually beat Kramink fairly easily with the black side of it:

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1309482
    I didnt even consider this move, why not?!

    Ill look into it further, it looks as if we have found the missing peice of the jigsaw though!