Originally posted by Dragon FireThere are no exceptions to the 50 move rule.
Posted with permission of my opponent.
If anyone tells me how to win this before I do it myself then we have agreed it shall be a draw.
I have never seen this before but I have 2N v lone P.
I know this sort of ending is an exception to the 50 move rule but is the pawn in the right place? can it be won?
Over to you experts.
Game 2372924
Originally posted by Dragon Fireno the book says how to force to a corner but i think black can choose to go to the a8 corner
From this position
[fen]7k/5K2/8/5N2/8/5p2/5N2/8[/fen]
1 .. Kh7
2. Ng4 .. f7
3. Nf6+ .. Kh8
4. Nh4 .. f7=Q
5. Ng6#
so all I have to do is force him to h8 and my book tells me how to do that.
Solved all by myself so I can claim the win.
Originally posted by Ashley BlueBecause I have agreed this is okay with my opponent and if someone tells me how to do it then I would just give him the draw.
Um, this game is still in progress...
Why in the world is everyone talking about it?
It is such an interestuing theoretical position that it is worth talking about so we all can learn.
Originally posted by Dragon FireYup.
[b]You are wrong!
I am surprised you don't know this at your level of play.
Suggest you look up the FIDE rules.
There are a number of exceptions and K & 2N vs K & P is one of them.[/b]
Besides,will he not move the pawn before you reach move 50?
No actually I'm right.
http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101
9.3 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, if
1. he writes his move on his scoresheet, and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move which shall result in the last 50 moves having been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without any capture, or
2. the last 50 consecutive moves have been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without any capture.
And a player not claiming a draw has nothing to do with the rule itself. There are no exceptions to the above rule as it written.
Originally posted by XanthosNZNo actually you are wrong! The FIDE rules were modified in certain circumstances where a forced win is possible in more than 50 moves. K & 2P vs K & P is one of those circumstances - there are others.
No actually I'm right.
http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101
9.3 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, if
1. he writes his move on his scoresheet, and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move which shall result in the last 50 moves having been made by each player without the movement of ...[text shortened]... as nothing to do with the rule itself. There are no exceptions to the above rule as it written.
I remember reading about this some years ago and I will try and locate the details to prove it. I have them somewhere in my loft I expect.
Agreement of players is irrelevant although of course a player has to claim the draw so if the game goes on without this happening then presumably it is not a draw until so claimed. This is inconceivable unless both players think they can win which is hardly relevant here as I can pick up that last pawn at any time.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire🙄
No actually you are wrong! The FIDE rules were modified in certain circumstances where a forced win is possible in more than 50 moves. K & 2P vs K & P is one of those circumstances - there are others.
I remember reading about this some years ago and I will try and locate the details to prove it. I have them somewhere in my loft I expect.
Agreement ...[text shortened]... rs think they can win which is hardly relevant here as I can pick up that last pawn at any time.
Did you ever think that perhaps the rule used to have exceptions but doesn't anymore?
http://www.kemmunet.net.mt/chessmalta/fidelaws/index.html
9.3. The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, if
(a) he writes on his scoresheet, and declares to the arbiter his intention to make a move which shall result in the last 50 moves having been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without the capture of any piece, or
(b) the last 50 consecutive moves have been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without the capture of any piece.
If this site is correct they indeed removed the exceptions.I do wonder why 😕