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  1. Standard member Krapsparov
    Don't baptise cats!!
    09 Sep '06 11:45
    Milner Berry question?

    1) e2e4…e7e6
    2) d2d4…d7d5
    3) e4e5…c7c5
    4) c2c3…b8c6
    5) g1f3…d8b6
    6) f1d3…c5d4
    7) c3d4…c8d7
    8) b1c3…c6d4
    9) f3d4…b6d4
    10) e1g1…d4e5
    11) f1e1

    Ok, the book says play the queen back to b8 and just give white the pawn back on d5, but what happens if he plays 11)...e5d6 to hang on to the second pawn?



    I know its wrong but I can’t see why!!

    Any clues
    Cheers
    Jon
  2. 09 Sep '06 12:07 / 1 edit
    White will gain tempo with Nb5. Lemme dig out a game where black decided to "eat" my pawn with his king still in the center.

    Edit here is the gameGame 2044222
  3. 09 Sep '06 12:07
    Have you looked at what happens if White plays Qf3?
  4. 09 Sep '06 12:10
    No my friend Nb5 at once. Attacking the queen is best.
  5. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    09 Sep '06 16:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Krapsparov
    Milner Berry question?

    1) e2e4…e7e6
    2) d2d4…d7d5
    3) e4e5…c7c5
    4) c2c3…b8c6
    5) g1f3…d8b6
    6) f1d3…c5d4
    7) c3d4…c8d7
    8) b1c3…c6d4
    9) f3d4…b6d4
    10) e1g1…d4e5
    11) f1e1

    Ok, the book says play the queen back to b8 and just give white the pawn back on d5, but what happens if he plays 11)...e5d6 to hang on to the second pawn?


    I know its wrong but I can’t see why!!

    Any clues
    Cheers
    Jon
    The main problem with 11...Qd6 is that White has the option of virtually forcing a draw: 12.Nb5 Qb6 13.Be3 Qa5 (13...Qd8 14.Bf4 or Rc1 sets up the annoying threat of Nc7+) 14.Bd2 Qb6 etc.
  6. Standard member Krapsparov
    Don't baptise cats!!
    09 Sep '06 16:30
    Originally posted by z00t
    White will gain tempo with Nb5. Lemme dig out a game where black decided to [b]"eat" my pawn with his king still in the center.

    Edit here is the gameGame 2044222[/b]
    You gave me a link to a sicilian
  7. 09 Sep '06 16:39 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Krapsparov
    You gave me a link to a sicilian
    The idea I wanted to demonstrate was that a Queen going on a pawn-hunt early in the game is disastrous, since you can develop by attacking it. There are similar traps in almost all openings not just Sicilian.

    These are invaluable in speed chess since your opponents clock will take a severe hit as he works out the complications.
  8. 09 Sep '06 17:28
    Originally posted by Krapsparov
    Milner Berry question?

    1) e2e4…e7e6
    2) d2d4…d7d5
    3) e4e5…c7c5
    4) c2c3…b8c6
    5) g1f3…d8b6
    6) f1d3…c5d4
    7) c3d4…c8d7
    8) b1c3…c6d4
    9) f3d4…b6d4
    10) e1g1…d4e5
    11) f1e1

    Ok, the book says play the queen back to b8 and just give white the pawn back on d5, but what happens if he plays 11)...e5d6 to hang on to the second pawn?

    [fen]r3kbnr/pp1b1pp ...[text shortened]... 8/2NB4/PP3PPP/R1BQR1K1[/fen]

    I know its wrong but I can’t see why!!

    Any clues
    Cheers
    Jon
    There's nothing wrong with it if you're willing to settle for a draw.
    From 11....,Qd6
    12.Nb5,Qb6
    13.Be3,Qa5
    14.Bd2,Qb6
    and White doesn't really have anything better than keep repeating the position.If White does try for more Black will be better.The game still won't win itself of course,White still has chances but Black is more than OK .