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What is everyone's opinion of 3.Bb5+ following 1. e4...c5, 2. Nf3...d6? You Sicilian players out there...How often do you see this and how does it affect your strategy?

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Originally posted by KWCorona
What is everyone's opinion of 3.Bb5+ following 1. e4...c5, 2. Nf3...d6? You Sicilian players out there...How often do you see this and how does it affect your strategy?
I play that all the time.On ICC I've been mocked and ridiculed for playing this silly ancient line.I've also been deemed extremely lucky for having a + score,with said silly,ancient line 😉
Here,on rhp,it seems more common.In general,I don't think sicilian players see it all too often.

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It happens. I think I generally develop the Knight into the pin, and then push a6 when I can. I don't mind him taking. I like having a strong center combined with an open file. It lets me attack.

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
I play that all the time.On ICC I've been mocked and ridiculed for playing this silly ancient line.I've also been deemed extremely lucky for having a + score,with said silly,ancient line 😉
Here,on rhp,it seems more common.In general,I don't think sicilian players see it all too often.
I've played Bb5 as white (in the few games i get to transpose from 1.Nf3 that is). It seems logical enouph but i think Bc4 is much much stronger. If your going to play the sicillian as white you've got to play the sharpest line, it's practically the rules. 🙂

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Originally posted by marinakatomb
I've played Bb5 as white (in the few games i get to transpose from 1.Nf3 that is). It seems logical enouph but i think Bc4 is much much stronger. If your going to play the sicillian as white you've got to play the sharpest line, it's practically the rules. 🙂
Not neccesarily true. Most sicilian players I have seen here believe that knight at c6 is gold, so they instead trade the bishops at d7...They trade their unobstructed bishop for what in all likelihood will be my bad bishop. In that case...I say advantage, white.

The other choice is for black to develop as planned the knight fall into a pin situation. a6 is not a very good option in the sicilian because it leaves white with the edge in development while black is saddled with doubled pawns and the b6 square is now a huge hole in black's position. White gives up what is usually his bad bishop in a closed sicilian. Not a bad exchange for white. I have used it more because I'm not comfortable with open sicilian yet. I am better with tactical play that I can handle than with theory...Open Sicilian, especially Najdorf possibilities, leaves me dumbfounded. I guess I prefer more closed games than open ones. Well, lets say I may not "prefer" closed games, but I tend to win more in closed situations.

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I think Nc6 is the best move, but just don't play a6 before you've developed a couple of pieces.

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Originally posted by KWCorona
Not neccesarily true. Most sicilian players I have seen here believe that knight at c6 is gold, so they instead trade the bishops at d7...They trade their unobstructed bishop for what in all likelihood will be my bad bishop. In that case...I say advantage, white.

The other choice is for black to develop as planned the knight fall into a pin situation. a ...[text shortened]... Well, lets say I may not "prefer" closed games, but I tend to win more in closed situations.
I faced the 3 Bb5+ 8 times on this site and have an even score. I was orginally blocking with the Bishop and retaking with the Knight to retain the original Najdorf piece position for the Knight at d7, but there's little reason to post the pieces in their standard Najdorf position because White's d-pawn is not traded for Black's c-pawn and therefore, this line is basically a version of a Closed Sicilian. I now recapture with the Queen and plan on pushing a early d5 to operate on the Queen file. Have won 3 of my last 4 using this strategy.

I don't think the Bishop trade is a good one for White: this Black bishop is usually not developed for a while in the Sicilian and the White bishop here is a primary weapon against the Sicilian whether developed at c4 or g5. Unless you're playing a Dragon variation, you're going to play e6 as Black and then the Bishop is certainly obstructed. It develops to either d7 or preferably b7; but it's not in the game for a while. So the trade benefits Black in my view; but the line does make you adjust your strategy as Black so it's certainly playable for White.

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Originally posted by KWCorona
What is everyone's opinion of 3.Bb5+ following 1. e4...c5, 2. Nf3...d6? You Sicilian players out there...How often do you see this and how does it affect your strategy?
That's the Moscow variation and it is quite respectable. I have read a book by IM Kaufman where he recomends that against the Scilian. I haven't decided what to do against this variation but both 3...Nc6, and 3...Bd7 seem reasonable to me...

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What about 3...Nd7?
A possible line is 4.d4 Ngf6 5. 0-0 a6 6. Bxd7+ Nxd7 7. Nc3 e6 8.Bg5 Qc7 9.Re1 cxd4 10. Nxd4 Ne5 11.f4 h6 12. Bh4 g5 and if 13.fxg5 Be7 14 Qh5 Ng6 15 Bg3 hxg5 16. Qf3 Ne5

This line seems fine to me

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Originally posted by the Bulgarian
What about 3...Nd7?
A possible line is 4.d4 Ngf6 5. 0-0 a6 6. Bxd7+ Nxd7 7. Nc3 e6 8.Bg5 Qc7 9.Re1 cxd4 10. Nxd4 Ne5 11.f4 h6 12. Bh4 g5 and if 13.fxg5 Be7 14 Qh5 Ng6 15 Bg3 hxg5 16. Qf3 Ne5

This line seems fine to me
3...Nd7!? is found in many new opening books as the death for White's variation. And ...a6 is usually never bad in the Sicilian, especially when played at the right moment.

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