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Originally posted by ketchuplover
I think the controls are 40/1 then add 1hr for next 20 moves. Not sure about after 60 moves. No increments.
Thanks. I remember an interview where a GM (think it was at Wijk aan Zee) mentioned playing for 5 or 6 hours. What gives?

Edit: 60 Moves in 2 hours; 20-40 moves in 4 hours?

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Originally posted by Green Paladin
Thanks. I remember an interview where a GM (think it was at Wijk aan Zee) mentioned playing for 5 or 6 hours. What gives?

Edit: 60 Moves in 2 hours; 20-40 moves in 4 hours?
On digital clocks you get extra time per move, usually thirty seconds. Some games in tournaments last for nine to sixteen hours, it's a competitive hall sometimes.

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Aronian is making his push with a nice win over Topalov where he dropped an exchange for a passed d-pawn and successfully converted. That said, I don't think Anand will relinquish the lead (he is currently 1 point ahead of Aronian and Carlson).

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It's looking good for Magnus again today! But I wish he'd hurry up - I am tiiiiiired! Damn that aurora outside, too...

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Originally posted by ketchuplover
I think the controls are 40/1 then add 1hr for next 20 moves. Not sure about after 60 moves. No increments.
I think it's two hours for the first 40 moves, then as you said 1 hour for the next 20 moves. Carlsen - Shirov has taken almost exactly six hours for 60 moves. After 60 moves I think they get 30 minutes for the rest of the game.

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Phew, it's over. Nice of Shirov to blunder the draw away! Now I can go to bed.

Edit: Wow, this has brought Carlsen up to the fourth place on the live top list: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessuser?uname=frogbert

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Originally posted by Nordlys
I think it's two hours for the first 40 moves, then as you said 1 hour for the next 20 moves. Carlsen - Shirov has taken almost exactly six hours for 60 moves. After 60 moves I think they get 30 minutes for the rest of the game.
Ah, how daft of me... I didn't double it.

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That Carlsen-Shirov game seems to have inspired my opponents on ICC tonight:


[Event "ICC"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2008.02.29"]
[White "CMSSacrifice"]
[Black "SpecialFX"]
[Result ""]
[TimeControl "180+0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5
6. Bb3 Bc5 7. c3 d6 8. d4 Bb6 9. d5 Ne7 10. c4 bxc4
11. Bxc4 Bb7 12. Re1 O-O 13. Bg5 Ng6 14. Be3 Bxe3 15. Rxe3 c6
16. Nc3 cxd5 17. Bxd5 Bxd5 18. Nxd5 Nxd5 19. Qxd5 Nf4 20. Qb3 Rb8
21. Qa3 Qb6 22. b3 Rfc8 23. Rd1 Rc6 24. g3 Ne6 25. Red3 Nc5
26. Ng5 h6 27. Nh3 Nxe4 28. Qa4 Nc3 29. Qg4 Nxd1 30. Qxd1 Rbc8
31. Kg2 Rc2 32. Rxd6 Kh8 33. Rxb6


[Event "ICC"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2008.02.29"]
[White "CMSSacrifice"]
[Black "rook38"]
[Result ""]
[TimeControl "180+0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Bc5
6. c3 b5 7. Bb3 d5 8. exd5 Nxd5 9. d4 exd4 10. cxd4 Bd6
11. Re1+ Nde7 12. Ng5 O-O 13. Qh5 h6 14. Bxf7+ Kh8 15. Ne6 Bxe6
16. Bxe6 Nxd4 17. Bxh6 Nxe6 18. Rxe6 gxh6 19. Qxh6+ Kg8 20. Qg5+ Kh8
21. Rh6#


Notice that they both played the same variation of the Ruy Lopez that Shirov tried, I wasn't familiar with it (I'm not really much a Ruy player), luckily they both ended up with the same fate as Shirov. 😛

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Wait a second...did Carlsen miss a devastating move at his move 30 with 30.Rxc3. Crafty says it's sound and it seems to simply put white up a piece!

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Wait a second...did Carlsen miss a devastating move at his move 30 with 30.Rxc3. Crafty says it's sound and it seems to simply put white up a piece!
wow, that's.. just making me happy! (to see that GMs, even without time pressure can miss things like that.) he probably thought it would end up with perpetual, but it doesn't! . -this is only my engine speaking by the way 🙂

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Wait a second...did Carlsen miss a devastating move at his move 30 with 30.Rxc3. Crafty says it's sound and it seems to simply put white up a piece!
That move was discussed a lot on Playchess (both by Dennis Monokroussos who did the commentary and by other players), and it's also discussed here: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4482
Certainly not easy to see that it actually was good, and Magnus decided not to risk it. It cost him some hours, but not the win. 🙂

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Good work by magnus, that is the sort of tenacity that marks out the great from the good - I can imagine lots of draws being agreed in those sort of positions. It is amazing, how often a grand master will push and push even though it is likely their efforts will be wasted (as was very nearly the case here) especially in endgames.

Does anybody else think he will be the next player to break the 2800 mark?

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
Good work by magnus, that is the sort of tenacity that marks out the great from the good - I can imagine lots of draws being agreed in those sort of positions. It is amazing, how often a grand master will push and push even though it is likely their efforts will be wasted (as was very nearly the case here) especially in endgames.

Does anybody else think he will be the next player to break the 2800 mark?
I think Magnus or Aronian will be or probably both of them.

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With the way ratings are inflating, there will come a day (in the not too distant future) when all the worlds elite players are rated over 2800 and 2700 will just be those players currently in the mid 2600s who have gained extra points from those below.

In the ECF rating system, the opposite is true - and the stronger players are dropping lower and lower in the ratings tables. There is talk of a rating correction this year, which would be quite handy as I will gain some extra points which should offset those lost when playing under rated (but good) opponents.

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All games drawn today - that's a first in this tournament!