Originally posted by Dragon Fireheh, easy draw?
Why don't you read my posting in full.
If you did you would see that I gave lines if you blocked with the Rook [b]and if you blocked with the B, both of which are easy draws.[/b]
even GMs play R+B vs R to the end(and sometimes they do not draw)...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4350
Rychagov,A (2528) - Grischuk,A (2715) [D44]
60th ch-RUS Superfinal Moscow RUS (10), 29.12.2007
Originally posted by vipiuThat was a good well fought game and highly beneficial showing how the stronger side forces the king to the edge although even then it was a slip that conceeded the game.
heh, easy draw?
even GMs play R+B vs R to the end(and sometimes they do not draw)...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4350
Rychagov,A (2528) - Grischuk,A (2715) [D44]
60th ch-RUS Superfinal Moscow RUS (10), 29.12.2007
... but at our level it is an easy draw. White would never have been able to find the correct forcing moves in the game quoted here without using a tablebase and would still require black to blunder. It is far easier to draw this than it would have been to win.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire"It is far easier to draw this than it would have been to win." != "easy draw"
That was a good well fought game and highly beneficial showing how the stronger side forces the king to the edge although even then it was a slip that conceeded the game.
... but at our level it is an easy draw. White would never have been able to find the correct forcing moves in the game quoted here without using a tablebase and would still require black to blunder. It is far easier to draw this than it would have been to win.
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When you really need help from someone, like you needing help from RHP staff to reopen a game, you would never insult them by calling them names. It is a sure way to piss them out and you will never have any help from them again.
Another sure thing to make it impossible to reopen the game is to ask advice from us, readers of this thread, about the game. Never, ever ask advice to a game in progress! In your opinion it is still in progress, even if it is closed by yourself (by accepting the draw) or the RHP staff. In reality it is closed and cannot be reopened again, because if it will you has violated the TOS 3b by asking advice and you are automatically banned.
Take the few points loss of your rating, live with it, and learn that you never again in the future let your bad temper destroy your chances of correcting a misstake.
Noone likes a sore loser. Don't make anyone think you are such a one.
Originally posted by vietasianfox45Where you maybe drinking too much when the admins of RHP came to you in a dreamy drunken blur and said accept the draw or we will force a draw upon you?
No, I am living alone in my own apartment.
You are not alone
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t80855.html
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Originally posted by FabianFnasFirst of all, did I EVER ASK FOR ADVICE??!! NO!! I was only asking how people feel about the site forcing results on a game that THEY claim they never do!! Second of all, how the hell did they help by FORCING a result in MY game, pissing me off??!! Answer that question!!
When you really need help from someone, like you needing help from RHP staff to reopen a game, you would never insult them by calling them names. It is a sure way to piss them out and you will never have any help from them again.
Another sure thing to make it impossible to reopen the game is to ask advice from us, readers of this thread, about the game ...[text shortened]... correcting a misstake.
Noone likes a sore loser. Don't make anyone think you are such a one.
How am I a sore loser if it was a stupid "FORCED DRAW" BY THE SITE??!!
Originally posted by adramforallLMAO!! Very funny and cute. I do not drink.
Where you maybe drinking too much when the admins of RHP came to you in a dreamy drunken blur and said [b]accept the draw or we will force a draw upon you?
You are not alone
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t80855.html
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Originally posted by vietasianfox45You asked for advice. First you present the game, even give the link to it. Then (after a while) ask: "Why would I block with my rook if I am going for the win??!!" That is a clear seeking of help, in my opinion.
First of all, did I EVER ASK FOR ADVICE??!! NO!! I was only asking how people feel about the site forcing results on a game that THEY claim they never do!! Second of all, how the hell did they help by FORCING a result in MY game, pissing me off??!! Answer that question!!
How am I a sore loser if it was a stupid "FORCED DRAW" BY THE SITE??!!
Think again - what do you hope for respons by the mods? To give you your game back? Do you really think they will be nice to you after you've called them liars? And you still continue with a anti friendly attitude. You have nothing to achieve by this.
You think this is a win, everyone else thinks it is a sure draw. Why not challenge those you think you cannot win this game by setting up the position and continue from there. Then prove to them that you actually can win the game. If you can, then we will shut up, you have a (minuscule) chance to reinstate the game by the mods and you win fair and square.
But I don't think you dare. What will happen if you in the end can't win the game? Then you'll lose face totally.
I encourage everyone to challenge vietasianfox45 from a setposition to really see if he actually can be right in his assumption that he can win the game.
What I see in front of me is a sore loser. Noone likes a sore loser.
Originally posted by FabianFnasvietasianfox45 doesn't have to prove that he can win the game. He's upset because he believes that he wasn't given a fair opportunity to even TRY to win the game. If his allegation that the RHP mods wrongfully called the game a draw is true, then he has every right to be upset, and he doesn't have to prove anything to anybody.
You think this is a win, everyone else thinks it is a sure draw. Why not challenge those you think you cannot win this game by setting up the position and continue from there. Then prove to them that you actually can win the game. If you can, then we will shut up, you have a (minuscule) chance to reinstate the game by the mods and you win fair and square. ...[text shortened]... he can win the game.
What I see in front of me is a sore loser. Noone likes a sore loser.
Having said that, it is highly unlikely that anything other than an honest mistake on somebody's part caused the draw result. And I think that vietasianfox45 would help his cause better by not assuming that any act by the mods was malicious in any way.
Please allow me to add my two cent's worth: I've consulted "Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual," and there are only two positions that matter in the resulting R+B vs. R position -- "the Philidor Position, 1749" and "the Cochrane position" (see page 264). Considering the ratings of both players, it's possible neither are familiar with either of these two concepts and the game would have duly ended in a draw because of the application of "the rule of 50 moves."
Originally posted by gaychessplayerI think the likelihood that the mods forced this draw is nil.
vietasianfox45 doesn't have to prove that he can win the game. He's upset because he believes that he wasn't given a fair opportunity to even TRY to win the game. If his allegation that the RHP mods wrongfully called the game a draw is true, then he has every right to be upset, and he doesn't have to prove anything to anybody.
Having said that, ...[text shortened]... ld help his cause better by not assuming that any act by the mods was malicious in any way.
If vietasianfox45 believes he did not offer or accept a draw then we are left with the possibility that there is a "bug" in the programming.
Computer software is complex stuff and unfortunately "bugs" do exist. I have come across this situation a number of times and the simple answer is to report it and get on with life. It might be annoying but nothing malicious is intended and if enough people report such a bug then the site owners would certainly look into it and fix it in due course.
There is no point mouthing everyone off or leaving the site because of an isolated software fault that would probably never affect you again.
I have given analysis of the ending and shown it to be a draw to try and help vietasianfox45 accept that he may not have even lost out and that the draw was hardly an unfair result. However, had I been him in the same position would I have played on? Against a weaker player, of course I would have until such time as I had lost that last P and my opponent showed he knew how to draw a R & B vs R ending but make no mistake unless the stronger side also knows how to create the winning chances (unlikely in this case) a draw would be a certain result. A stronger player would probably give up the B for the P straight away then head with his K to the centre so I would no doubt quickly agree a draw then.
According to Fritz8 there is no win here:
65...Bxf6! 66. Kxf6 Rf1+ 67. Bf5 Rg1 68. Rd8 Rg6+ (with the threat of a cute statlemate; I had seen this far ahead and decided to stop my own analysis of the position since the Black King will eventually take up an even more defensible position) 69. Ke5 Rg7 70. Kf4 Rg2 71. Rd7 Rf2 72. Ke5 Kg5 73. Rg7+ Kh4 74. Be4 Rf1 etc.
Although they are not required it would put this issue to rest if the mods or whomever would just type a response that says "we did not force this draw" and vietf### hopefully can move on. Although many have posted possibilities for a draw being accepted accidentally, I still have not read a rationale as to why RHP would want this game forcibly drawn.
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