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Invalid FEN inserted - 1BbbR3,npk4,3Rp2,P1K4,1NQP3,8,8,8


A study by the late Karol Wojtyla - white to play and win.

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is this really easy or am i missing something? is the position correct?

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Originally posted by Jusuh
is this really easy or am i missing something? is the position correct?
Sorry - I should have been more specific - its white to play and mate in 2.
Not that easy.

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A nice one 🙂
1.Qa7!

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HUH?

Isnt It
1. Ne5+ ..fxe5
2. Kxe5#

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Originally posted by Weadley
HUH?

Isnt It
1. Ne5+ ..fxe5
2. Kxe5#
no, black has Nd6.

Qa7 is another example of zugzwang. If white were to move after Qa7, it would take him more moves.

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Rxe8+! right?
If Kxe8 then Qxf6
If Nxe8 then oh, oops Kc5 Kxe6....

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Mephisto do you mean after Qa7 if Black moves hes mated?
I just cant see the next move that black would make and then white to mate?

I see how I was wrong though. Please post what blacks move would be too.

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Qa7 is indeed the correct solution.

Black then has a variety of legal moves, but they all allow mate in 1.

Eg:
...any knight move allows 2.Nb6;
...Be7 allows r6xd7;
...f5 allows Nd5;
...c6 allows bxc6

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Originally posted by Redmike
Qa7 is indeed the correct solution.

Black then has a variety of legal moves, but they all allow mate in 1.

Eg:
...any knight move allows 2.Nb6;
...Be7 allows r6xd7;
...f5 allows Nd5;
...c6 allows bxc6
Interesting puzzle.

I checked your solution with a couple engines and found a truly curious situation:

Hiarcs and Fritz both found one of several mate in three solutions, and then quit looking. Crafty did the same, until I installed the newest version that I downloaded yesterday. It found the solution in a few seconds.

Anaconda 1.6, on the other hand, found the solution instantly on a P3 machine, as did Anaconda 2.0 on a P4.

I haven't yet run Fritz on the P4, and I have about 64 more engines that can look at the problem. But, I cannot recall another mate in two that any of the leading engines had any trouble with. Usually the solution is instantaneous. Weaker engines, such as T-rex, sometimes require 5-10 seconds, but solve most mate in twos.

I'm perplexed.😕

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Interesting puzzle.

I checked your solution with a couple engines and found a truly curious situation:

Hiarcs and Fritz both found one of several mate in three solutions, and then quit looking. Crafty did the same, until I installed the newest version that I downloaded yesterday. It found the solution in a few seconds.

Anaconda 1.6, on the other han ...[text shortened]... such as T-rex, sometimes require 5-10 seconds, but solve most mate in twos.

I'm perplexed.😕
Even engines cannot match divine inspiration, it seems.🙂

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Interesting puzzle.

I checked your solution with a couple engines and found a truly curious situation:

Hiarcs and Fritz both found one of several mate in three solutions, and then quit looking. Crafty did the same, until I installed the newest version that I downloaded yesterday. It found the solution in a few seconds.

Anaconda 1.6, on the other han ...[text shortened]... such as T-rex, sometimes require 5-10 seconds, but solve most mate in twos.

I'm perplexed.😕
Have you tried running Fritz in Mate Search mode?
If I do that it finds it instantly.
The key is that Mate Search looks at every move rather than pruning. That way it can be sure it hasn't missed a mate at a given ply at the expense of speed.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Have you tried running Fritz in Mate Search mode?
If I do that it finds it instantly.
The key is that Mate Search looks at every move rather than pruning. That way it can be sure it hasn't missed a mate at a given ply at the expense of speed.
now, why didn't I think of that 😳