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  1. 15 Oct '11 17:02
    Was just offered and accepted a draw in this game, but was there a win for black?



    This is what i see happening



    no?

    ok i give up, what is wrong with the pgn?
  2. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    15 Oct '11 18:21 / 1 edit
    You have some of the moves wrong 43. Qh5e4 is impossible for example - do you mean d5?
    And some of black's king moves have an extra letter in them after the K: Kgh7g8 instead of Kg7g8 presumably
  3. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    15 Oct '11 18:33
    Originally posted by Trev33
    Was just offered and accepted a draw in this game, but was there a win for black?

    k i give up, what is wrong with the pgn?
    Was this what you meant?


  4. 15 Oct '11 18:36
    YES. Thank you.
  5. 15 Oct '11 18:37
    I'm right though, there's no forced draw there?
  6. 15 Oct '11 18:46
    Originally posted by Trev33
    I'm right though, there's no forced draw there?
    43.Qe8+ instead of 43.Qf5 seems to keep the perpetual.
  7. 15 Oct '11 19:13
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    43.Qe8+ instead of 43.Qf5 seems to keep the perpetual.
    oops, that's what it was supposed to be. I'll crawl back into my cave lol

    Look at the first pgn, forced draw?
  8. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    15 Oct '11 19:25
    Well personally i'd say being a rook up is normally enough to win. Just exchange Queens?
  9. Standard member mikelom
    Ajarn
    15 Oct '11 20:44
    Sorry? 🙄 ... second black move?

    Can't be bothered to go past that, it must have been a classic game! 😀

    -m.
  10. 15 Oct '11 20:58
    Originally posted by Trev33
    oops, that's what it was supposed to be. I'll crawl back into my cave lol

    Look at the first pgn, forced draw?
    No, it doesn't appear to be a perpetual. It is a known pattern that one side can't perpetual with a lone queen vs king and queen in the corner unless the position has other factors that keep the king out of g7.
  11. 16 Oct '11 00:14
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    No, it doesn't appear to be a perpetual. It is a known pattern that one side can't perpetual with a lone queen vs king and queen in the corner unless the position has other factors that keep the king out of g7.
    Unknown pattern to me.
    Now I know that means little but,from the game,after 43.Qf7+,how can black escape the perp other than by trading queen for knight?I don't see it 😳
  12. 16 Oct '11 00:59
    @torten

  13. 16 Oct '11 12:52
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    @torten

    [pgn]1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Ke8f7 3. d4 Ng8f6 4. Ng1f3 Kf7g8 5. c4 d5 6. c5 Bc8xf5 7. Bf1d3 e6 8. Qd1e2 Qd8e8 9. Bc1g5 Bf5xd3 10. Qe2xd3 b6 11. b4 a5 12. bxa5 bxc5 13. dxc5 Nf6e4 14. Bg5e3 Ra8xa5 15. Nb1d2 Ne4xc5 16. Be3xc5 Ra5xc5 17. O-O Nb8c6 18. Rf1e1 Nc6b4 19. Qd3b3 Nb4c2 20. Ra1c1 Nc2xe1 21. Rc1xe1 Rc5b5 22. Qb3a4 Rb5b8 23. Qa4g4 h5 24. Qg4h3 Rh8 ...[text shortened]... 2. Qe8xh5 Qg7h6 43.Qh5f7 Qh6g7 44.Qf7h5 Kh7g8 45.Qh5e8 Qg7f8 46.Qe8g6 Kg8h8 47.Qg6h5 Kh8g7[/pgn]
    Yep,I found out later by having fritz defend the black side.Should've done that before asking here.

    It's so simple...