Originally posted by greenpawn34
That was one deep resignation.
White to play - Black's last move was 16...h6 White resigned.
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I cannot see a trick shot yet though all the exchange and piece sacs
appear to nearly work so White is in no man's land.
Is there a threat or is this one of them, it's you move ...[text shortened]... ick.
You have to get it messy.
If it's lost, it's lost but go down with guns blazing.
16. h4 Qd6
The threat is 17... Qg3.
17. Bd2 Bxf3
18. gxf3 Qxd2
19. Qxd2 Rxd2
You can argue its only two pawns but after 20. Bd4 itll be three and black is pulling ahead.
16. Bd2
16... Bxf3
is could worth it but
17. Bxf3 Qd4
18. Nd1
is a good defense. Instead
16... Rxe2
17. Kxe2 Re8
18. Kd1 Bxf3
19. Kc1 Bxg2
and black boxes white in. h2 will most likely die and the compensation with the f-g-h pawns is more than enough. Because its defending ladder black could go for a perpetual earlier and get the game over with. A perpetual draw does mean white has no lead, ye? 😛
Originally posted by Mariska AngelaVery nice, but in neither of the two variations explain why white resigns (I prefer white in both). Any explanation for white's resignation?
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16. h4 Qd6
The threat is 17... Qg3.
17. Bd2 Bxf3
18. gxf3 Qxd2
19. Qxd2 Rxd2
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You can argue its only two pawns but after 20. Bd4 itll be three and black is pulling ahead.
16. Bd2
16... Bxf3
is could worth it but ...[text shortened]... rpetual earlier and get the game over with. A perpetual draw does mean white has no lead, ye? 😛
edit: I never played in the 'ladder' thing, that's why I didn't consider the option of black playing for a draw. Is that really you? 😕
Originally posted by Mephisto2Thanks..
Very nice, but in neither of the two variations explain why white resigns (I prefer white in both). Any explanation for white's resignation?
edit: I never played in the 'ladder' thing, that's why I didn't consider the option of black playing for a draw. Is that really you? 😕
What do you expect? It's the first dozen moves and these variations were deep and concrete. Do you want it to be five pages long and fifty moves deep? 😕 I replied the draw to the white should be better part. It's an easy perpetual, proves that white is not better. If you want to fight I say the compensation is more than enough for black, if you don't think so you could give a reason why as well.😕
Originally posted by Mariska AngelaYour explanation is clear to me now, I just wondered why the white player thought it was enough to resign. He could have offered draw. Or do 'ladder' games not affect rating? My bad if they do 🙂
Thanks..
What do you expect? It's the first dozen moves and these variations were deep and concrete. Do you want it to be five pages long and fifty moves deep? 😕 I replied the draw to the white should be better part. It's an easy perpetual, proves that white is not better. If you want to fight I say the compensation is more than enough for black, if you don't think so you could give a reason why as well.😕
Hi thanks for getting back.
I saw my wee hole on g3 and thought I had that covered with Na4.
I worked out that 1.Na4 was unplayable right away because of the
wonderful Queen sac line.
So have to get the Queen off f6 then the c3 Knight can move.
(the c3 Knight holds d1).
I see your main line and agree but if the best you have is taking it into
a endgame then why resign a piece up. (sorry two pieces up).
At least my h5 brings things to head.
You played h6 to stop Bg5 so lets go for that. It also stops Qh4 in some lines.
Here is the Queen sac (if 4.Qg2 4...Qe6 looks good).
Wonderful position to mess about with.
The boys want to see blood not these GM resignations.
(though I do admit it's a horror to defend.)
Yes indeed. (though I never look at that when choosing h5)
I can see all kinds of nightmares here as well.
But you are right more complications. Is it resignable.
Be good to know what the lad saw that made him tip his King.
Are you glad he resigned or were you winding yourself for a shot
at the brilliancy prize. I would have been a wee bit annoyed.
I once spent a whole evening fine tuning an attack v SG.
My family had gone out and I had the whole house to myself.
3-4 hours of me, the Beatles blaring, a board and a won tricky position.
I had him on the rack in a previous game but tried to semi-blitz it and
lost him. That was not going to happen again.
I was hitting some brilliant positions expecting to dismiss my first choice
candidate move. All I found were wins.
Calm down, what am I missing. In the end I rolled the dice and went with it,
if there was a hole I could not see it.
I sent the move and waited. SG is a good player, if they was a hole he would find it.
He resigned 🙁
A smashing piece of opening preparation went into that game.
I knew he avoided the Marshall so looked at the Kasparov-Short match
because Kasparov kept avoiding the Marshall in that.
One wee comment from Hartston about perhaps a delayed Marsahll may work
(nothing more, that's all he said) So I played it.
(I sacced with a perpetual in my pocket, SG blundered and I was in.)
Best game I've played on here. usually the good guy side-step my tricks
and against the weaker lads I never really a chance get to display all my tricks
unless I take big big risks. (see 2nd game).
Not a poke at them, but sometimes things are getting interesting and
they simply hang a piece.
This was a happy medium.
here it is. SG resigned after 28...Rb8 I've added one of my continuations.
It won me my only tournament win (the other I got the other by default 'cos Korch left RHP).
SG you are a rat 😉
But I was more annoyed with this lad for not falling into the trap
completely with 17...Nf5
18.Rh8+ !! KxR 19.Ng6+ Kg8 20 Rh8 mate I was heart broken.
My Mona Lisa had been flawed.
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Originally posted by Mariska AngelaYeah - this is the big question. White doesn't appear to be losing. I'm not sure why white would resign in this position. Maybe he saw a ghost?
The game could've been nice yes. I don't like losing but I was sure I'll at least draw no matter what, so I didnt stress it. I was actually enjoying the game
I still dont know why big Z resigned. 😕😛
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Originally posted by greenpawn34I've been a swindler for a long time. Its part of the reason I responded to the original post (other than I like the Bishops Gambit). White messed up the opening, but righted himself enough to get decent chances. Part of chess is making the most of these opportunities. Maybe its not good enough (f5 puts a stop to most of the fun around Ne4, with or without Qg3), but you've got to give your opponents as many chances to mess up as possible. Sometimes he misses something.
Yes indeed Nf6+ too. That's 5 threats. He's doomed.
See that Erekose, one post and you now are now a master swindler.
Swindling is good chess, as long as there's a little bit of desperation in the position.
Hi fellow cheapo artist.
Yes f5 does stop a lot of the rot. But we see this.
Let's look at it through their eyes after Ne4
Again you play on the fears. f5 weakens the Bishop on e6 so
suddenly you have a Queen holding g7 and e6 and Nc5 is coming.
That is enough for them to panic.
Many weaker players stumble in positions like this because they were guided
by a smattering of knowledge spoon fed to them by books or players
who should know better.
They will not swap a poor Bishop for Knight. They will make every
legal possible moves to avoid doubled pawns and having an isolated
pawn is enough for them to give up chess.
I have honestly heard a player who sent off a Knight defeding his
King to take a Knight on c3 saying he thought doubling my pawns
on c3 would give him a won game. He was mated in two.
Putting a player into blunder land giving him a narrow path
to follow is the Cheapo Merchants gift. You know this.
I filled my first magazine with blunders, I filled the Corner with blunders
I'll fill the RHP blog with blunder ridden games.
Blundering is how you win or lose games.
As a fellow swindler (a real chess player in my eyes, we punish blunders)
you will know placing your opponent in blunder land giving him a narrow
path to follow is the way to go.
I'd put money on playing b6 to stop Nc5 or Kh8. Then the attack gains
a tempo and you are now ready for you opposite colured Bishop attack.
Of course if some poe-face wants to interupt our discussion with some
box analysis proving this won't work then I can show them 1,000's and 1,000's
of postions were a box will say 1-0 and the human made it 0-1 within 2 moves.
Why don't I write book on blunders and what causes them.
I could quite easily. Nobody would buy it because they think blundering
in beneath them. That is why players like me and you nick points of them.
Happy Hunting.
PS post your best swindle.