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  1. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    Kasparov, what a player!! This game is just stupendously brilliant!!! 🙄

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    10 Sep '10 10:441 edit
    Absolutely incredible!

    I've come across this game before.
    Thanks for posting.
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    It is a brilliant concept shattering inspiring game.

    On his day, and he had plenty of those, he was the greatest chess player ever.
    (even on his off days was quite good) 😉
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    Vladimir Kramnik Vs. Garry Kasparov, 1994 Petrosian variation of KID YouTube
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    10 Sep '10 18:49
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    Kasparov, what a player!! This game is just stupendously brilliant!!! 🙄

    [pgn][Event "Munich (Germany)"]
    [Site "It"]
    [Date "1994.??.??"]
    [EventDate "?"]
    [Round "?"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [White "Vladimir Kramnik"]
    [Black "Garry Kasparov"]
    [ECO "E92"]
    [WhiteElo "?"]
    [BlackElo "?"]
    [PlyCount "78"]

    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be ...[text shortened]... 5.Nxe5 Rxe3 36.Nxd7 Nh3+ 37.Kg2 Rxf1 38.Kxf1 g3 39.Kg2 Nf4+
    0-1
    [/pgn]
    I'd just look at that and say "what a crap move 7 by black, and the previous moves to it!"

    Check out my last 100 games of white openings...... you may be surprised!

    -m.
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    10 Sep '10 18:58
    Originally posted by mikelom
    I'd just look at that and say "what a crap move 7 by black, and the previous moves to it!"

    Check out my last 100 games of white openings...... you may be surprised!

    -m.
    If you don't know your openings you could always open with Muay Thai. 😵
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    I'm playing through the first Kasparov Karpov book right now. Right now I'm just on their forth game, but my first impression is that it's very odd to see the archetypical attacking player open with 1.d4 while the embodiment of positional chess chooses 1.e4.


    But it's like Petrosian said, none of the great champions can really be reduced to generalizations.

    Karpov can lay some very nasty tactical traps, and Gazza can occasionally throw down on the positional squeeze.

    It's a testament to young Karpov's chess prowess that in several games, Gaz finds a weakness, exploits it, and Karpov still ends up with a win or draw.



    The one question that really bugs me is why didn't Toyla take that damn hanging pawn with 28.Rxd6


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    10 Sep '10 21:10
    Originally posted by Thabtos
    The one question that really bugs me is why didn't Toyla take that damn hanging pawn with 28.Rxd6


    Maybe this is too "principled" an answer... but maybe Karpov didn't like his winning chances in the opposite colored bishop endgame.

    After 28.Rxd6 Rxe5 29.Rxf6 Bb5:



    The only way to mantain an advantage here is to exchange queens.

    For example, 30.Qd6 QxQ 31.RxQ Re7



    Or, 30.Qd5 Re5 31.Qd6 QxQ etc. leading to the same position.

    An alternative is 30.Qd5 Re5 31.Qf3!? which retains the advanced c-pawn, but then black has counterplay with 32. Re7!. Either white must repeat the position or the black rook is going to get behind the white pawns:



    Not sure if this is correct or not... Obviously I'm no expert in opposite colored bishop endings. Personally I feel like a draw would be the most likely outcome though.
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    10 Sep '10 21:34
    Hey D.

    Do you realize you might have just offered better analysis of that position than Kasparov?

    He writes "White was suddenly granted an opportunity to win a pawn and gain an overwhelming advantage 28. Rxd6, but he did not do this, apparently because of 28...Bc3, 29. Rd7 Qf4, overlooking an elegant refutation 30 Re7!"


    Kasparov didn't even consider the equality present in the position.


    And your line doesn't give white much advantage at all....
  10. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    13 Sep '10 21:173 edits
    Originally posted by DivGradCurl
    [fen]4r1k1/2q2p1p/b1Pp1bp1/8/1p2B3/1P6/2PR2PP/3Q2BK w - - 0 28[/fen]

    Maybe this is too "principled" an answer... but maybe Karpov didn't like his winning chances in the opposite colored bishop endgame.

    After 28.Rxd6 Rxe5 29.Rxf6 Bb5:

    [fen]6k1/2q2p1p/2P2Rp1/1b6/1p2r3/1P6/2P3PP/3Q2BK w - - 0 30[/fen]

    The only way to mantain an advantage here is lored bishop endings. Personally I feel like a draw would be the most likely outcome though.
    In your second diagram you missed Qd5.



    I think Black is forced into ..Qe7 but white maintains an initiative after Rd6 as black has to waste time retreating the white bishop allowing white to get a rook on d7...In fact i'd say this position would be totally winning for white. Or in notation...

    Qd5 ..Qe7
    Rd6 ..Ba6
    Rd7 ....and white's c-pawn looks unstoppable without significant losses.
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    13 Sep '10 21:43
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    Kasparov, what a player!! This game is just stupendously brilliant!!! 🙄

    [pgn][Event "Munich (Germany)"]
    [Site "It"]
    [Date "1994.??.??"]
    [EventDate "?"]
    [Round "?"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [White "Vladimir Kramnik"]
    [Black "Garry Kasparov"]
    [ECO "E92"]
    [WhiteElo "?"]
    [BlackElo "?"]
    [PlyCount "78"]

    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be ...[text shortened]... 5.Nxe5 Rxe3 36.Nxd7 Nh3+ 37.Kg2 Rxf1 38.Kxf1 g3 39.Kg2 Nf4+
    0-1
    [/pgn]
    12...Nxe4 sacing his Queen.

    This is why I can't study a GM game without commentary from a Master. I know he's Gary Kasparov and he won so it was sound. But as much as I try to study what follows there's no way in hell I would see this as anything but a blunder.

    Can someone explain it?
  12. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    14 Sep '10 00:08
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    12...Nxe4 sacing his Queen.

    This is why I can't study a GM game without commentary from a Master. I know he's Gary Kasparov and he won so it was sound. But as much as I try to study what follows there's no way in hell I would see this as anything but a blunder.

    Can someone explain it?
    There is a video link at the top of the page...I would suggest looking at the position a couple of moves after the Queen sac though. Can you see anything interesting for white other than defence? ...Neither can i... 😉
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    14 Sep '10 00:30
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    There is a video link at the top of the page...I would suggest looking at the position a couple of moves after the Queen sac though. Can you see anything interesting for white other than defence? ...Neither can i... 😉
    What video link? I don't see it.
  14. Standard memberMarinkatomb
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    14 Sep '10 01:47
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    What video link? I don't see it.
    YouTube
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    14 Sep '10 07:46
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    What video link? I don't see it.
    Clean your goggles, what was posted as the 4th response?
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