Originally posted by AudreyxSophieThere is nothing once the rook goes to h1. show something after it... back up your vote.
well, I look at Ne1, But the knight can do its job at f4 also, and if Pawnriot try the trick of Ne8 and Nf6, he face the terrible exchange sacrifice.
So, I keep my vote,
I really think ... h4 is the best way to proceed, how long did we think that the trick was going to work ?
We may as well find something after Rd1.
That is not true, if chess were so simple, it would be true, but a rook on h1, do not worry, so I won't revote.
Many should change their vote to h4, stop being scared and do something, better then doing nothing because you are scared. I'll do something when that rook will be at h1.
we can still advance untile h3, and if we can rade it for g pawn and c-pawn, then perfect, two pawns are better then one, and he'll have no more passed pawn..
I am not sure of what will happen..
2... Rd1,, so, h3 and Rh1, so Nf4 and we are more then okay after Kg7..
I'm not sure about Ne1, it seems very playable and with quite a few tricks, but I just don't know that I like all the lines. I also don't know any particular lines for Nf4, but I really like the position it puts us in. I really dislike h4, at best it lets PR's c-pawn promote first.
That said, I move my vote to Nf4.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophieGive some lines for ...h4. I've shown ...Ne1 to be a very very very good try and we shouldn't vote yet. When have I failed you guys? If we play Ne1 and lose or draw i'll be to blame so you have nothing to lose.
You are seeing thing in a wrong end, we won't let that pawn promote first whitout forcing him into a losing line.
Well, the raison, I dislike Nf4 is because, we will do that move once the pawn go to h3, and what the hell that knight can accomplish ?
No, thanks, not this time.
after h4, pawnriot got an arsenal of move at his disposal.
Rd7 to which we say Kg8.
c4. Kb4 Nd6, Rd2 and Rd1 are all good moves to h4, but none are winning. and to draw, he has to make some effort.
The pawn at h3 will not promote, but it will greatly reduce his move and we with an outposted knight on f4, it is not easy to take it like that.
I say h4 then h3 and Nf4 will limit mister.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophieWhy are you being stubborn? You don't just play a move because it "limits" the opponents replies? In fact, i'd rather him have more moves, the more chance that he'll pick the wrong one. I would also like to see more evidence from tomtom.
No, thanks, not this time.
after h4, pawnriot got an arsenal of move at his disposal.
Rd7 to which we say Kg8.
c4. Kb4 Nd6, Rd2 and Rd1 are all good moves to h4, but none are winning. and to draw, he has to make some effort.
The pawn at h3 will not promote, but it will greatly reduce his move and we with an outposted knight on f4, it is not easy to take it like that.
I say h4 then h3 and Nf4 will limit mister.
I think about that line.
1... Ne1..
2. Rd7 ! forking pawns. why not. Kg7
3. f4. h4
4. Nd6 h3 (Let's try that.)
5 Rxf7+ And now. If Kg8, I think white can hold on to a draw.. If the black king bring the king to attack the knight, white sac it and take a second pawn. Next thing is to take the last pawn and there is no more promotion for us
Kh8 Bring nothing more then a draw...
This is my evidence, The line with Kg8 need to be analysed.
I don't believe draw is enough here.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophie"I think" and "lets try that" is not evidence.
I think about that line.
1... Ne1..
2. Rd7 ! forking pawns. why not. Kg7
3. f4. h4
4. Nd6 h3 (Let's try that.)
5 Rxf7+ And now. If Kg8, I think white can hold on to a draw.. If the black king bring the king to attack the knight, white sac it and take a second pawn. Next thing is to take the last pawn and there is no more promotion for us ...[text shortened]... is my evidence, The line with Kg8 need to be analysed.
I don't believe draw is enough here.
I vote for 43...h4
The way I decided was that i thought if we do nothing white will win via
Queening his c pawn or via mating us with his rook and knight arabian mate or similar.
I don`t think we can draw via passive defense so i think h4 is forced although i don`t think 43...h4 is forced i do think that playing it is.
Originally posted by National Master Dale...h4 draws/maybe loses ...Ne1 wins/maybe draws. He will have to fight after ...Ne1 when after ...h4 we will be fighting for the draw.
I vote for 43...h4
The way I decided was that i thought if we do nothing white will win via
Queening his c pawn or via mating us with his rook and knight arabian mate or similar.
I don`t think we can draw via passive defense so i think h4 is forced although i don`t think 43...h4 is forced i do think that playing it is.