Pirc players? Anti-Pirc lines?

I was thinking of playing the Pirc against 1.e4

Is there any anti-Pirc lines?

Originally posted by chessisvanity
I was thinking of playing the Pirc against 1.e4

Is there any anti-Pirc lines?

....you sir.

....yer dead. 😠

I would say the Pirc is pretty much against itself.

There was a thread on the Pirc recently that had some useful resources in it...but I find these the most trouble

3.f3 ... is almost an anti-pirc move and worth having an idea what to play against it as 3...g6, 4.c4 takes you into the Samisch Kings Indian - not a prob if you happen to know it - and the alternative seems to be the odd looking 3...d5

also

The Spike Anti-Pirc
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.c3 g6 4.Ne2 g7 5.g4!?

Originally posted by chessisvanity
....you sir.

....yer dead. 😠

Originally posted by Mahout
There was a thread on the Pirc recently that had some useful resources in it...but I find these the most trouble

3.f3 ... is almost an anti-pirc move and worth having an idea what to play against it as 3...g6, 4.c4 takes you into the Samisch Kings Indian - not a prob if you happen to know it - and the alternative seems to be the odd looking 3...d5

also

The Spike Anti-Pirc
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.c3 g6 4.Ne2 g7 5.g4!?

Originally posted by Mahout
There was a thread on the Pirc recently that had some useful resources in it...but I find these the most trouble

3.f3 ... is almost an anti-pirc move and worth having an idea what to play against it as 3...g6, 4.c4 takes you into the Samisch Kings Indian - not a prob if you happen to know it - and the alternative seems to be the odd looking 3...d5

also

The Spike Anti-Pirc
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.c3 g6 4.Ne2 g7 5.g4!?

Originally posted by Northern Lad
I presume the third move in the 'Spike Anti-Pirc' is meant to be 3.f3 (not 3.c3 as stated).

I just play the 150 attack against both the pirc and the modern. It seems to be very successful. That said, there is the chinese variation with an early g4 for white, but that was more or less refuted some years ago. The game is very interesting. White ripped open the h-file, exchanged rooks, Black calmly walked his king to the queenside and swung his heavy pieces onto the now open h-file. I think the game is in Best Lessons of a Chess Coach, so Ill look for it when I get home. If anyone else know's the one I'm referring to, feel free to save me some time.

I'm fond of 2. h4!? myself. I know it's unprincipled, so to speak, but it spreads confusion early.

Originally posted by chessisvanity
I was thinking of playing the Pirc against 1.e4

Is there any anti-Pirc lines?

I'll play the Pirc against anyone who thinks it is worthless and show them otherwise.

Just make the game at least 3/7 and I get black (obviously).

Also message me so I won't delete the game.

No-one has stated it's useless, but just like every other opening, there are anti-pirc lines (which may or may not work better than the mainline pirc stuff). In this case, I have had success with the 150 (aka caveman attack) but that in no way means it's busted.

Originally posted by chessisvanity
I was thinking of playing the Pirc against 1.e4

Is there any anti-Pirc lines?