26 Sep 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNot a positional sac. It is well known that a R+K can't stop a K+3p that far advanced with the King in front of the pawns.
Game features a nice positional rook sacrifice in the endgame, quite a mellow game,
no real fireworks, but some little tactics and rook sacrifice. Its best to invert the
board so that the annotations make sense - regards Robbie.
unity36 v robbie carrobie
[pgn][Event "Clan challenge"] [Site "http://www.timeforchess.com"] [Date "2012.09.21"] [ r my horrendous effort with the white pieces, losing badly.} 0-1[/pgn]
This was you trying to be artistic but I think it spoiled the rest of the very well played game. Better was the simple dxc which you're whole play seemed aiming towards.... there is no beauty in an abrubt switch of ideas.
Sorry buddy but its the truth. Sometimes there is beauty in simplicity.
I think the most beautiful thing in this game was your gallant knight.
26 Sep 12
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Originally posted by tomtom232dxc is lame! 😛
Not a positional sac. It is well known that a R+K can't stop a K+3p that far advanced with the King in front of the pawns.
This was you trying to be artistic but I think it spoiled the rest of the very well played game. Better was the simple dxc which you're whole play seemed aiming towards.... there is no beauty in an abrubt switch of ideas.
Sorry b ...[text shortened]... eauty in simplicity.
I think the most beautiful thing in this game was your gallant knight.
Originally posted by RJHindsI can't believe that is your game - RJH
I agree. I like your rook sac better. I guess it is just a matter of taste as to how one goes about winning. Good game. I can't believe that is your game.
LOL, I find such a statement hilarious Ronald my friend considering you believe all sorts of crazeeee other stuff, ironic really 😀
chess arteeest baby, chess arteeest!
27 Sep 12
It's a very interesting position. I looked at the sac without an engine first and after studying it for ten minutes decided that it looked drawn with best play. Then I turned the engine on and it found a nice winning line for Black which involved saccing the c-pawn rather than playing Kb4. Unfortunately I don't have any chess software at work but I'll post the line tonight if no-one does it before me. It was something like:
52. ... c2!
53. Rc7 b4
54. Rxc2 b3
and Black's queenside pawns get through.
27 Sep 12
Originally posted by Fat Ladysacking the c pawn, wow, none of these things occurred to me during the game fatlady,
It's a very interesting position. I looked at the sac without an engine first and after studying it for ten minutes decided that it looked drawn with best play. Then I turned the engine on and it found a nice winning line for Black which involved saccing the c-pawn rather than playing Kb4. Unfortunately I don't have any chess software at work but I'll post ...[text shortened]... ething like:
52. ... c2!
53. Rc7 b4
54. Rxc2 b3
and Black's queenside pawns get through.
not tomos dxc and not your sacking the c pawn, its a thinking deficiency and playing
too fast on my part, please provide the variations its really quite interesting to be
honest, if the game could be drawn I would be amazed.
Hi Robbie.
Was wondering why all the chat was about endings.
Had to wait a long time to see it. Not a postional sac I'm afraid.
These are middle games tricks when the end cannot possibly be calcualted
(as oppossed to a tactical sac).
Yours is more of a 'let's make things difficult for myself type of sac'.
Don't worry mate, played a few of those in my time.
Could supply 100's of examples but as the last blog is still fresh in mind
here is an opening pos-sac.
The first game in the last blog there is a pos-sac in theory in that line.
Had wry smile at the note after move 15...Nb6
'heading for the natural outpost at c4'
Had that set up dozens of times. Not the exact position but the bones are there.
They all go for Nc4. Moths to a flame.
Once it get's there it does sod all but block my bait on c3.
In your game you had to re-deploy the Knight to get it going again.
White's plan of holding c3 was doomed to failure.
Look at his position after move 23.
.
Yuk!
Back here:
His centre pawns told him to get rid of his Bishop. So 14.Bg5 was the move.
Then hold c3 tactically letting it go at the right moment.
Had loads of games with this line. Won some lost some, draw some.
14...f5
Not too sure about this one. exf6 and he now has a weak pawn on an opening file.
Here is a game I posted on here October last year.
The notes are the original - I've not tampered with them. Thread 142331
My comments about Knights heading for c4 and weak pawns on e6 are there.
(you also commented on the game in the thread) 😉
G.C. - M.Ridge Edinburgh Lothians 2011
27 Sep 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieFat Lady has a point for after 53...Kb3 54. Rb7! b4 55. Kd1 the Black king is forced to c4 to avoid checkmate.
sacking the c pawn, wow, none of these things occurred to me during the game fatlady,
not tomos dxc and not your sacking the c pawn, its a thinking deficiency and playing
too fast on my part, please provide the variations its really quite interesting to be
honest, if the game could be drawn I would be amazed.
However, 53,,,Ka3! still wins, because if 54. Rb7, b4 55. Kd1 b3 56. Kc1 Ka2 57. Rb4 a3 58. Rb6 b2+ 59. kc2 Ka1 and the b-pawn queens with 60...a2 61...b1(Q).
27 Sep 12
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The post that was quoted here has been removedmy dear Duchess64, you are absolutely correct I had not calculated deeply enough
and made my decision purely on instinct (with a little calculation) After fatladys lines
I shudder to think what could have happened had my opponent played the best
lines. After a little reflection I simply chose the line that seemed the most forcing
and aesthetically pleasing. I still don't understand why it is not to be considered a
positional sacrifice, surely sacrificing material for something like a past pawn is a
positional sacrifice in every sense, at least it seems that way to me. The main thing
that I should be concerned about are these things that you mention, sacrificing
when its unnecessary, or not calculating in depth and other thinking deficiencies as
mentioned by GP and Tomo and which the lines posted by fatlady illustrate and yet
the romantic within me cries out for duelling with French foils at dawn for some
slight on a ladies honour, oh hopeless romantic who can help you with your
delusions?
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28 Sep 12
Hi Greenpawn. I enjoy reading your posts, and I was pleased to find out about the Sicilian Pin Variation. I'd lost interest in the Sicilian, but this variation resembles the type of play I enjoy in the Nimzo-Indian or, sometimes, in Owen's Defence: a pin of white's QN with black's KN adding pressure. I'd be interested to see a couple of sample games with this pattern, be it the Sicilian or another opening. Thanks!
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI liked it, although as Tom said...
Game features a nice positional rook sacrifice in the endgame, quite a mellow game,
no real fireworks, but some little tactics and rook sacrifice. Its best to invert the
board so that the annotations make sense - regards Robbie.
unity36 v robbie carrobie
[pgn][Event "Clan challenge"] [Site "http://www.timeforchess.com"] [Date "2012.09.21"] [ ...[text shortened]... r my horrendous effort with the white pieces, losing badly.} 0-1[/pgn]
But you found an idea and went with it and made it work, that's good chess IMO.