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Practicing against engines

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Are there any free engines with an adjustable level of strength (and not just from IM to GM rating, something that would simulate a club player) I could hook up to winboard and play against, or with a client program of their own? I was told that one of the best ways to improve was to play players say 50 to 100 points better than yourself consistently so your mistakes would get punished but you still have a reasonable chance to win, so you learn to be solid and not make speculative sacs. Is this a good way to train?

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http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/download.htm

On the frame on the left, there is a pull down menu with Winboard engines available for download.

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No ratings are given, are they?

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This site gives ratings for most of the engines:

http://www.quarkchess.de/html/winboard-overview.html

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Originally posted by pwnguin
Are there any free engines with an adjustable level of strength (and not just from IM to GM rating, something that would simulate a club player) I could hook up to winboard and play against, or with a client program of their own? I was told that one of the best ways to improve was to play players say 50 to 100 points better than yourself consistently so your ...[text shortened]... nce to win, so you learn to be solid and not make speculative sacs. Is this a good way to train?
No, it is not. better create an account on some chess server and play there against humans. Playing against computers gives bad habits.

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it's not free, but ChessMaster 10 is just the thing you're looking for.

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Originally posted by diskamyl
it's not free, but ChessMaster 10 is just the thing you're looking for.
I don't like chessmaster 10 as an opponent to play with. One of the reasons is that it's openingbook doesn't hadle transposions, fe. after 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.e5 we've reached a normal french adv. var. ML, wich chessmaster only knows from 1.e4 e6. Therefore every version of fritz is much better. I think the Fritz 8 (a program I use myself sometimes) can be found at a very low cost cause it's a couple of years old! Good luck.

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I disagree vipiu. I despise computer chess programs, but all the same I don't think it's fair to discourage other players from using them based on personal experiences. On the contrary playing against a program could initiate some very good habits, it just depends on the player.

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Just hunt around for an old copy of fritz, I got Fritz 7 for $5 in an old bargain bin in a computer store.

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For novices and players playing below club level CMX is good enough for those wanting to develop tactical strength. It's opening book and overall strategic knowledge is weak, but they won't need that knowledge till they at least get their tactical skills honed and stop dropping pieces and other blunders.

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Originally posted by artplayer
I disagree vipiu. I despise computer chess programs, but all the same I don't think it's fair to discourage other players from using them based on personal experiences. On the contrary playing against a program could initiate some very good habits, it just depends on the player.
I went from 1500 to 1800+ USCF after getting a Fidelity Elite Avant Garde table top chess computer and playing it every day for a year. Playing once a week at the chess club wasn't enough practice. (This was in 1985, before the internet was around)

It taught me how to play ACCURATELY, with no blunders.

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Originally posted by clarencecuasay
For novices and players playing below club level CMX is good enough for those wanting to develop tactical strength. It's opening book and overall strategic knowledge is weak, but they won't need that knowledge till they at least get their tactical skills honed and stop dropping pieces and other blunders.
that's a huge underestimation. I think CMX is good enough from 800 to GM strength. remember even CM9, many years ago has beaten GM Larry Christiansen very convincingly.

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Originally posted by Sam The Sham
I went from 1500 to 1800+ USCF after getting a Fidelity Elite Avant Garde table top chess computer and playing it every day for a year. Playing once a week at the chess club wasn't enough practice. (This was in 1985, before the internet was around)

It taught me how to play ACCURATELY, with no blunders.
ACCURATELY ?

and with fear of complications and trying to avoid tactic positions?
with some sucky style of trying to keep the position closed and trading as much as possible?

as this is year 2007, just go and create some account on some server and play HUMANS. If you play OTB later, you WILL play HUMANS, not computers...

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Originally posted by vipiu
ACCURATELY ?

and with fear of complications and trying to avoid tactic positions?
with some sucky style of trying to keep the position closed and trading as much as possible?

as this is year 2007, just go and create some account on some server and play HUMANS. If you play OTB later, you WILL play HUMANS, not computers...
oh yeah, "as this is year 2007", computer programs don't play with "sucky" styles, they're not simple calculators anymore. try to "exchange all pieces and close the position" against a CM personality at your level in 10 games and see what happens. that technique started failing against computers many years ago.

I loved this "didactic and socratic" posting style of yours, but have to say you're completely wrong. sorry.

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Originally posted by diskamyl
oh yeah, "as this is year 2007", computer programs don't play with "sucky" styles, they're not simple calculators anymore. try to "exchange all pieces and close the position" against a CM personality at your level in 10 games and see what happens. that technique started failing against computers many years ago.

I loved this "didactic and socratic" posting style of yours, but have to say you're completely wrong. sorry.
I did not say that computers have sucky style...I was saying the human playing mostly against a computer will get a sucky style...which will not work so well against humans...

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