Promote to rook or bishop not queen

I was doing n exercise on a chess site(I don't remember the site).

The exercise was to choose the right piece to promote to. In one at least it was to a rook instead of a queen.

I have seen positions where a knight is better than a queen, but can anyone think of a position where a bishop or a rook is better than a queen?

i'm retarded but i'd think the queen would have same affect as bishop....only more powerful.......but then again......i'm retarded....

i say there is no such position!!....(where a bishop promotion is better than a queen)

Originally posted by chessisvanity
i'm retarded but i'd think the queen would have same affect as bishop....only more powerful.......but then again......i'm retarded....

i say there is no such position!!....(where a bishop promotion is better than a queen)

for example, if a queen promotion would cause stalemate you would rather a different peice, sometimes a bishop, to safely deliver mate.

Originally posted by mazziewag
for example, if a queen promotion would cause stalemate you would rather a different peice, sometimes a bishop, to safelty deliver mate.

Examples here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underpromotion#Promotion_to_rook_or_bishop

Edit: the "Herman Mattison" example is a case I hadn't considered. Although it has to be very rare to say the least, and maybe only in such compositions.

well call me dorothy!!! i guess there is such a position.....

now if ya excuse me....i pissed the bed and i need to change the sheets.

Thanks! I forgot about stalemate! I wish I had the URL for the example that I am thinking of, but I can't remember any possible stalemate.

I will take a look ag that link later though. Thanks!

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
I was doing n exercise on a chess site(I don't remember the site).

The exercise was to choose the right piece to promote to. In one at least it was to a rook instead of a queen.

I have seen positions where a knight is better than a queen, but can anyone think of a position where a bishop or a rook is better than a queen?

c8=B

R & Q deliver stalemate, N cannot win.

Of course Kd7 might just be better so I'm close but not close enough.

Every move White can possibly make can lead to a win, except promotion to R or Q. And promotion to Q or R is possible, also, if it is just prepared by another move or moves. The key is that the Black king is trapped by its own pawn. So even a N promotion wins.

How can you forget stalemate?!

Sometimes it's more classy to underpromote and mate than to mate with the queen. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by MoneyMaker7
Sometimes it's more classy to underpromote and mate than to mate with the queen. Just my opinion.

I think that's called kicking them while they are down. 🙂

I'd move Kd7 for the cleanest win. 2 knights would be very difficult and maybe impossible and Knight/Bishop are a easier but still very difficult for lower players.

Originally posted by MoneyMaker7
How can you forget stalemate?!

Sometimes it's more classy to underpromote and mate than to mate with the queen. Just my opinion.

I don't think it matters class-wise how you mate. A loss is a loss, a win is a win. A win might be more elegant or have a nicer combination with certain pieces, but they're both equally as classy.

Unless you toy with someone to promote like, 3 queens just because you can, that's not so classy.

Originally posted by deeploser
I think that's called kicking them while they are down. 🙂

I've seen a couple of games posted here where people tried to promote multiple queens or a gaggle of rooks before they mated.

I laugh my head off everytime someone tries this and ends ups with a stalemate.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
[fen]8/k1P14/p1K5/N7/8/8/8/8[/fen]

c8=B

R & Q deliver stalemate, N cannot win.

Of course Kd7 might just be better so I'm close but not close enough.

think a bit, this is preatty easy to win with a Knight too 😉
Good example of mating with 2 Knights...