Originally posted by trevor33
i've started to play the english again and one of my games went something like this

[fen]rn2kbnr/pppq1ppp/3p4/4p3/8/5NPb/PPPPPPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 0 1[/fen]

This isn't making sense. The exact sequence of moves is needed.
For eg. I don't see how black can get away with that plan so easily:
1.c4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.g3 Be6 4.Bg2 Qd7(if...Bxc4, Qa4ch) 5.Ng5 black's bishop and b7 are attacked.

Originally posted by trevor33
which was pretty annoying so i thought about trying this to prevent my light bishop from attack

[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/6P1/PPPPPPBP/RNBQ1RNK w kq - 0 1[/fen]

what do you guys think about this defence?

The normal way to prevent the exchange of bishops is to make sure you get your rook to e1 before he can play Bh3. If he still plays Bh3, your bishop then has the h1 square.

Of course, that's if you even deem it necessary to stop this plan. Remember, your opponenet is the one that's moving a piece 3 times to trade it off for a piece that has moved once (When he plays Bh3, you wouldn't take; you'd wait for him to take on g2), so the burden is on him to prove that the weakened f3 and h3 squares are worth the time he's lost.

Originally posted by trevor33
i've started to play the english again and one of my games went something like this

[fen]rn2kbnr/pppq1ppp/3p4/4p3/8/5NPb/PPPPPPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 0 1[/fen]

By the way trevor:

Here is the English:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=A10


And what you are playing is the King's Indian
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=A07

Originally posted by Bishopcrw
By the way trevor:

Here is the English:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=A10


And what you are playing is the King's Indian
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=A07

Good point. I had assumed he was just showing the portion of the board where his bishop was fianchettoed though, and that he wasn't showing a real example of one of his english games.

Originally posted by Jusuh
very bad idea. just wasting tempos and undeveloping your knight...

^^^ Indeed....

How many moves does something like that take to set up??

Francettoing (sp??) and castling are pretty good moves....

but after that YOU ARE WASTING at least 2 MOVES!! - against a skilled player, those extra 2 moves will turn into and attack and that attack may end up losing material or worse, mate...

in the example below, those 2 moves lost me a rook, for a knight

But nonetheless, there is nothing like trying it for yourself is there??

[EVENT "Hexacto's Kasparov Chessmate :Local Game VS Computer"]
[SITE "Local"]
[DATE "2006/4/12"]
[ROUND "-"]
[WHITE "Aku"]
[BLACK "Earl"]
[RESULT "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1929"]
[BlackElo "1700"]


1. g3 d5 2. Bg2 e5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. O-O Bf5 5. Kh1 Bc5 6. Ng1 Nf6 7. d3 O-O 8. Nc3 Ng4 9. Qe1 Nb4
10. Qd2 Nxf2+ 11. Rxf2 Bxf2 12. e4 Bxg1 13. exf5 Bd4 14. a3 Bxc3 15. Qxc3 Nc6 16. Qe1 Kh8 17. Qf2 Nd4
18. Be3 c5 19. c3 Nb3 20. Rf1 Qd6 21. Bg5 Rac8 22. f6 g6 23. Bh6 Rfe8 24. Bg7+ Kg8 25. h4 b6 26. g4 a5
27. h5 gxh5 28. gxh5 c4 29. Rg1 cxd3 30. Bh6 Kh8 31. Bg7+ Kg8 32. Bf3 e4 33. Bg4 Rc7 34. Bf5 d4
35. Qg2 Qe5 36. Bh6+ Qg3 37. Qxg3+ Kh8 38. Qg7# 1-0

*Thats not my actual rating - but it is relative to the computer strength....

so 1900 vs. 1700 (200 diff)

I did end up winning the game becuase the computer is a bit retarded (and with luck on my side)

but...who got the better of the opening?? - if the computer was stronger, I would not have been able to make the comeback I did....

it was 9 moves before i was in trouble....

Therefore, I pressume, if you played that setup against me, or any player my strength or stronger, it won't be long before you get in a tricky situation....

Originally posted by o0obruceleeo0o
Good point. I had assumed he was just showing the portion of the board where his bishop was fianchettoed though, and that he wasn't showing a real example of one of his english games.

you made the right assumption