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  1. 02 Feb '07 20:44 / 1 edit
    Is there any way for white to regain the pawn after: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 b5 ?



    I encounter those moves as white, but never really invested any time in learning theory in this line. It usually worked out well anyway, but it would be nice to know if there are any concrete variations that refutes this variation, since I happen to face it so frequently.

    (Any lines where black tries to keep it later on, or with pieces also interests me..)
  2. Standard member Diet Coke
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    02 Feb '07 20:49
    THe main point is that black will be forced to rupture his/her queenside keeping the extra pawn, while white can develop pieces undermining it.
  3. 02 Feb '07 20:59
    I want lines =)
  4. 02 Feb '07 21:00
    Personally I don't play the QG, but I do transpose from my english into a catalan which has similar positions, but I have a bishop on g2 which ultimately causes black great pain.
  5. Standard member Diet Coke
    Forum Vampire
    02 Feb '07 21:07
    Originally posted by zebano
    Personally I don't play the QG, but I do transpose from my english into a catalan which has similar positions, but I have a bishop on g2 which ultimately causes black great pain.
    Same here.
  6. 02 Feb '07 21:07
    Originally posted by Golub
    Is there any way for white to regain the pawn after: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 b5 ?

    [fen]rnbqkbnr/p1p1pppp/8/1p6/2pP4/5N2/PP2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq b6 0 4[/fen]

    I encounter those moves as white, but never really invested any time in learning theory in this line. It usually worked out well anyway, but it would be nice to know if there are any concrete var ...[text shortened]... uently.

    (Any lines where black tries to keep it later on, or with pieces also interests me..)
    I generally play 3.Nc3, you could try that....although I don't really play 1.d4 too much, so I don't have the lines. Also possible is 3.e3 b5?? 4.a4 c6 5.axb5 cxb5 6.Qf3 when white picks up the piece.
  7. 02 Feb '07 21:08
    a4 looks groovy.
  8. 02 Feb '07 21:09
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    a4 looks groovy.
    Yeah, I think that's the most accurate move there.
  9. 02 Feb '07 21:10
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    a4 looks groovy.
    and that can be followed up by Na3 depending on blacks reply...
  10. 02 Feb '07 21:41
    Perhaps I should haved added that I only want lines after Nf3.. sorry about that =)

    Okay, so a4... Yes, looks like a good move.. What happens after c6?
  11. 02 Feb '07 23:34
    I gather from your suggestions, this is what you mean.. so let's try Qb6 and black can still hold the pawn?

    1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 b5 4. a4 c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Na3 Qb6

  12. 03 Feb '07 00:02
    Found a game that clearly illustrates the simple way to exploit the error:
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1254781

    I think it looks more promising than Na3 or Nc3. The key move is e3 and then b3! (a pawn exchange really), which should always regain the extra pawn with a little advantage.

    1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 b5 4. a4 c6 5. e3 e6 6. axb5 cxb5 7. b3



    ... and from there, I see only bad things for black.

    Thanks for all the suggestions.