twice now on yahoo chess i have played an end game where i have a queen and nothing else and all my opponent has is a pawn, however, i have found if my king is some distance away from their pawn it's virtually impossible to get a win without their pawn being promoted; this is because they always keep their king next to the pawn
anyway, with this in mind i was playing a game the other day and took my opponents promoted queen with my queen; leaving him nothing but a queen with me only having a pawn; i did this on purpose because his king was some distance away from my pawn; the funny part is i got my pawn to promotion and won the game; when i just had the pawn, all he could do was check but never a checkmate without the support of the king; everytime he moves his king closer, i move my pawn closer to the end of the board;
it's strange how - when it comes down to it - a pawn is more powerful than a queen
Originally posted by eatmybishopOK lets start with this.
twice now on yahoo chess i have played an end game where i have a queen and nothing else and all my opponent has is a pawn, however, i have found if my king is some distance away from their pawn it's virtually impossible to get a win without their pawn being promoted; this is because they always keep their king next to the pawn
anyway, with this in mi ...[text shortened]... board;
it's strange how - when it comes down to it - a pawn is more powerful than a queen
Black to move and win
Originally posted by eatmybishopI would like to challenge that notion.
twice now on yahoo chess i have played an end game where i have a queen and nothing else and all my opponent has is a pawn, however, i have found if my king is some distance away from their pawn it's virtually impossible to get a win without their pawn being promoted; this is because they always keep their king next to the pawn
anyway, with this in mi ...[text shortened]... board;
it's strange how - when it comes down to it - a pawn is more powerful than a queen
I may need to work it out, but you should be able to keep King in check until it is in front of the pawn. Then you move the King. And then you keep doing this until the king is closer.
Also, you just move the queen in front of the pawn.
I would like to see this worked out.
Originally posted by 8DYou are basically right in the approach. Why don't you work it out, it is not that difficult.
I would like to challenge that notion.
I may need to work it out, but you should be able to keep King in check until it is in front of the pawn. Then you move the King. And then you keep doing this until the king is closer.
Also, you just move the queen in front of the pawn.
I would like to see this worked out.
Once done that, move all the pieces (kings, pawn and queen) one square to the right, or two squares to the left, and find out why this, in contrast to the above, is a drawn position.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire1. ... Qd2+ The only move that wins. Any other move allows 2. e8=Q draws.
OK lets start with this.
Black to move [b]and win
[fen]8/3KP3/8/8/8/8/8/3kq3[/fen][/b]
So now if white tries 2. Kc8 .. Qc3+; 3. Kd8 [supporting the pawn] .. Qd4+; 4. Kc8 [their is no point going to e8 as then the black King can approach] .. Qc5+; 5. Kd8 .. Qd6+; 6. Ke8 [and now the black king can approach].
All in all a simple win from the worst possible starting position.
K+Q vs K+P is a win for the side with the Queen unless the pawn is a Bishop pawn on the 7th rank with the defending King close by (as Mephisto pointed out above). The reason for this exception is that if the pawn is directly threatended, the defending King can simply step into the corner, which makes the pawn immune from capture without stalemate.
Originally posted by BLReidAnd remember that a rook pawn can be drawn too. And then we need to consider the location of the attacking king... if close enough to the pawn, it may not matter which file the pawn is on... a draw may not be possible.
K+Q vs K+P is a win for the side with the Queen unless the pawn is a Bishop pawn on the 7th rank with the defending King close by
Any pawn on the sixth rank is drawn. Rook pawns are drawn because of stalemate, and bishop pawns are drawn because of stalemate also.
The trick is to check the king in front of the pawn so your king has a free move to inch closer, then repeat the process. When your king gets close enough, inside a "box" then you can simply allow your opponent to queen then checkmate him, or just capture the pawn with your king and queen.
Anyone with the slightest endgame knowledge shoulda figured that out
Originally posted by MoneyMaker7I just worked through the rook pawn and I get a win.
Any pawn on the sixth rank is drawn. Rook pawns are drawn because of stalemate, and bishop pawns are drawn because of stalemate also.
The trick is to check the king in front of the pawn so your king has a free move to inch closer, then repeat the process. When your king gets close enough, inside a "box" then you can simply allow your opponent to queen ...[text shortened]... h your king and queen.
Anyone with the slightest endgame knowledge shoulda figured that out
I am trying to find a location that results in a stale mate. I can not fathom how it could ever be a loss for the K-Q.
Will look at knight pawn. I do not see how bishop pawn would be any different that knight pawn.
Originally posted by 8DThese are very basic endgame situations. If you can't sort them out, then try to find an online resource or get an endgame book. You just reminded me of why lower rated players often don't resign lost positions, or accept draw offers in unwinable positions...because they don't realize that they are lost or drawn.
I just worked through the rook pawn and I get a win.
I am trying to find a location that results in a stale mate. I can not fathom how it could ever be a loss for the K-Q.
Will look at knight pawn. I do not see how bishop pawn would be any different that knight pawn.
Originally posted by Dragon FireThe EGTB shows this as mate in 28. When I did it it took 10 extra moves. I didn't try to figure out where my inefficiency was, but obviously the pattern I was using was not optimal, though still winning.
OK lets start with this.
Black to move [b]and win
[fen]8/3KP3/8/8/8/8/8/3kq3[/fen][/b]