Originally posted by banx99I've heard this line called the Closed Morphy but I'm not sure if that's widely accepted. As has been posted above it's really after this point that sub-variations start getting named.
i wonder
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba4 Nf3
5. 0-0 Be7
6. Re1 b5
7. Bb3 0-0
8. c3 d6
9. h3
what's the name of this variation so far?
Generically I'd personally say after 9. h3 we have a Closed Spanish or Closed Ruy Lopez.
Originally posted by JonathanB of LondonTrue, after 9. h3 we have:
I've heard this line called the Closed Morphy but I'm not sure if that's widely accepted. As has been posted above it's really after this point that sub-variations start getting named.
Generically I'd personally say after 9. h3 we have a Closed Spanish or Closed Ruy Lopez.
9. ...a5 The Bondarevsky Variation
9. Be6 The Kholmov Variation
9. Nd7 The Moscow Variation
9. ...h6 The Smyslov Variation
9. ...Bb7 The Zaitsev Variation
9. ...Nb8 The Breyer Variation .
9. ...Na5 The Chigorin Variation
Not sure what 9. ...Re8 is called
Originally posted by sannevssrYeah, 9... Nd7 is the one for which everyone seems to have different names. Glenn Flear calls it the Karpov Variation in his book The Ruy Lopez Main Line, and mentions that it has also been called the 'Classical Chigorin' by Suetin (1991), the 'Keres System' by Lane (1991), and the 'Ragoin-Petrosian, Keres Line' by Anic (2003). According to Flear, it was "Bikhovsky who in 1993 named the line after Karpov, because the former World Champion re-popularized the system after employing it on several occasions at world championship level."
True, after 9. h3 we have:
9. ...a5 The Bondarevsky Variation
9. Be6 The Kholmov Variation
9. Nd7 The Moscow Variation
9. ...h6 The Smyslov Variation
9. ...Bb7 The Zaitsev Variation
9. ...Nb8 The Breyer Variation .
9. ...Na5 The Chigorin Variation
Not sure what 9. ...Re8 is called
The move order with 9...Re8 should transpose to a Zaitsev Variation.
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Hehe, well i happen to go to the same school as banx, and could some one please point out to him that the Ruy is boring compared to the Fried Liver and Evans, both coming off 3. Bc4 instead of 3. Bb5.
Although I admit to losing to the Ruy. xD. I would actually like some advice on beating it. I currently play the chigorin against it.
Originally posted by DejectionStart playing the Schliemann. I have a game against banx at this very moment were I'm using that gambit.
Hehe, well i happen to go to the same school as banx, and could some one please point out to him that the Ruy is boring compared to the Fried Liver and Evans, both coming off 3. Bc4 instead of 3. Bb5.
Although I admit to losing to the Ruy. xD. I would actually like some advice on beating it. I currently play the chigorin against it.
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Originally posted by DejectionBecause it is a set piece game and the site is having problems recording the moves on those games. I don't know if it is a bug or a conscious decision. But I'll find other games in that opening.
Why can't i see the history of that game?
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1000992
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Originally posted by banx99This is what I consider to be the mainline Ruy Lopez or Spanish. I play this opening. Please note 4. ... Nf6. Against 1. e4 I play 1. ... c6 the Caro-Kann so I don't have to face the Ruy Lopez. However, I don't play the Caro-Kann to avoid the Ruy as much as I am trying to avoid the many 1. e4 openings. It is much simpler to narrow the field to Caro-Kann games.
[b]i wonder
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba4 Nf3 (
Originally posted by DejectionThat's not true at all. There are plenty of very sharp and active Ruy lines, like the Schliemann and Zaitsev. In fact, after 3.Bc4 there are some very boring lines that both white or black could choose to enter. The awesome thing about the Ruy Lopez is that it's the most deep and complex opening in existence, it can go so many different ways and has so many complex ideas rich in both strategic and tactical plans.
Hehe, well i happen to go to the same school as banx, and could some one please point out to him that the Ruy is boring compared to the Fried Liver and Evans, both coming off 3. Bc4 instead of 3. Bb5.
Although I admit to losing to the Ruy. xD. I would actually like some advice on beating it. I currently play the chigorin against it.
Originally posted by cmsMasterWell said
That's not true at all. There are plenty of very sharp and active Ruy lines, like the Schliemann and Zaitsev. In fact, after 3.Bc4 there are some very boring lines that both white or black could choose to enter. The awesome thing about the Ruy Lopez is that it's the most deep and complex opening in existence, it can go so many different ways and has so many complex ideas rich in both strategic and tactical plans.
Originally posted by Dejection1) Black is not obliged to play 3...Nf6. I dont want to say that this move is bad, but there are also alternatives like 3...Bc5 and 3...Be7.
Yes, well let's see the outcome of our game, shall we? Im white and
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d4
5. ed Nxd5
6. Nxf7 Kxf7
7. Qf3+ Ke6
8. Nc3 Ne7
9. d4 c6
10. de
Oh, btw. Let's see who will do the owning tomorrow. Bearing in mind i jsut beat Mr. Humberstone
2)Black is not obliged to play 5....Nxd5?!, much better is 5...Na5 and practice shows that black have good initiative for pawn.