Should the U.S. Gov't financially support ches...

Originally posted by infernalgnu
Bush would never dare to play chess when he'd find
out that the opponents troops matches his own.

More like bush would pretend to make moves, and Cheany would be talking into his earpiece giving him moves..😵

Originally posted by Grandmouster
More like bush would pretend to make moves, and Cheany would be talking into his earpiece giving him moves..😵

If you put 1 million chimps infront of chess boards and got them to play humans then one of the chimps would win, you know who the loser would be, unless Cheney was helping...

Originally posted by DeepThought
I you put 1 million chimps infront of chess boards and got them to play humans then one of the chimps would win, you know who the loser would be, unless Cheney was helping...

First he would have to find the door to the room with the chess board.
Then he will have to make some subamiminal moves to make the chimp think he was good.
Then when he loses, he will send troops to the chimps county, claiming "there was wepons of mass destruction" there. And he is just saving us from them.
Then he will rig the scoring system, with the help of his brother, and lo' and behold! He won after all..🙄

Originally posted by Gambitzoid
It's not about hobbies, it's about a couple of things. Culture, Education, and keeping kids out of trouble. I know most states if not all have after school programs to keep kids occupied and I'm pretty sure that chess is played in some of those afterschool programs. And there are state universities like Univ of Texas that give scholarships to outstanding ...[text shortened]... y and freedom of enterprise, the right to make money, it has nothing to do with hobbies.

Dear stoolpusher,

Your argument is very flawed. Unless you’re making your living at it, then you’re an amateur, therefore, chess for you is nothing more than a hobby. Though Benjamin Franklin was a great supporter of the Royal Game, neither he nor any of the other signatories of the Constitution thought it warranted inclusion in this document, which, by the way, is the supreme law of the land. Furthermore, I would hate to think my government would waste our tax money to improve your meager skills at chess.

Secondly, though the U.S. government subsidizes other recreational facilities such as parks, stadiums, etc., instead of asking: Why not chess? We should instead ask: Should the public subsidize any of these things? The answer, of course, is: no. Still, it’s heartening to know that you speak for all “296M americans” (sic).

Lastly, your statement: “And the right to pursue happiness means the right to private property and freedom of enterprise, the right to make money, it has nothing to do with hobbies,” was a real howler. Besides being in desperate need of third-party fiananced chess lessons, you are also in desperate need of instruction in civics.

Your “idiot” friend,

der_schwarze_Ritter

There are allready charities that support chess in the schools.
And should be in the hands of the public, not government. This is'int a socialist society yet.
Some Influential people love chess, but i think because its so hard to master, many see it as a hobby.
With the high profile world of sports, and now poker, people can watch the action, and even participate.
Chess is more of a cerebal activity, and granted it is great for many social, and logical skills, if the public at large cant get into it, you might have a hard time getting support from the powers that be

Perhaps a closing point for this discussion is that the government shouldn't financially support hobbies, but if they do the may as well include chess? Or perhaps a closing point for this discussion o the government should financially suppor hobbies, but whethger they should support chess can be disputed.

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
Dear stoolpusher,

Your argument is very flawed. Unless you’re making your living at it, then you’re an amateur, therefore, chess for you is nothing more than a hobby. Though Benjamin Franklin was a great supporter of the Royal Game, neither he nor any of the other signatories of the Constitution thought it warranted inclusion in this document ...[text shortened]... also in desperate need of instruction in civics.

Your “idiot” friend,

der_schwarze_Ritter

Yes, chess is a hobby for me. I'm not asking for the government to give me chess lessons, I just want places to play chess, I guess you could say for entertainment.

And for many people, in particular children, chess is a very useful tool for learning and socializing.

Do you really believe that the public should not subsidize parks and stadiums? I see from your profile that you are a fan of the Cowboys, who play in Texas Stadium, which was built with public funds. Most professional teams would probably not exist were it not for the subsidies, especially in stadium building, that they receive from the government.

And then you argued that because chess is not mentioned in the Constitution it has no place in government. Well, according to your logic we should get rid of the Federal Reserve, we should eliminate anti-trust monopoly laws, the FDIC, political parties, and Judicial Review as institutions of our government. The constitution is a framework for the building of our government and the government has to make judgments on what to do to best serve their people, within the framework set up by the Constitution. Supporting chess education programs in schools and building chess tables in parks to play on is well within the framework of the constitution.


First of all, you are in desperate need of civic instruction because you said there is a provision in the Constitution that we have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.... That's actually in the Declaration of Independence, idiot.
Second of all, maybe you need instruction on John Locke, who believed that every man had an inalienable right to "life, liberty, and property" which was the inspiration for Jefferson's "life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Originally posted by Gambitzoid
Do you really believe that the public should not subsidize parks and stadiums? I see from your profile that you are a fan of the Cowboys, who play in Texas Stadium, which was built with public funds. Most professional teams would probably not exist were it not for the subsidies, especially in stadium building, that they receive from the government.

And ...[text shortened]... y" which was the inspiration for Jefferson's "life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Dear stoolpusher, arguing on the Internet is a lot like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.😀

I personally think that chess should be supported by the government, as it can help a lot of people and is relatively inexpensive.

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
Dear stoolpusher, arguing on the Internet is a lot like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.😀

Well if you just lost an argument to a retard, what does that make you?

Originally posted by Gambitzoid
Well if you just lost an argument to a retard, what does that make you?

Answer: A better chess player than you can ever hope to be.