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  1. 23 Mar '07 13:56
    I've been playing against e4, Nf3 alot lately and I was wondering if any of you RHPers have had any success with the following second moves as Black against this opening: 2...Nf6, e6, b6, and g6.

    I'd really like to start playing some new lines other than the Najdorf and Orthodox. Does anyone have any comments on these responses (especially Nf6 and b6) and any examples of games that might be worth looking at?
  2. 23 Mar '07 14:00
    not best moves but playable.
  3. 23 Mar '07 14:03
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    not best moves but playable.
    I think g6 is fine, especially if you usually play the Hyper-Accelerated anyway. Not sure about the others, though (obviously they're at least playable, but I mean beyond that).
  4. 23 Mar '07 14:08
    It looks like Nf6 will usually transpose into Alekhine's D, which I think is good Black against someone that is was ready and prepared for a traditional Sicilian battle. From the little research I've done this morning, b6 is much weaker and White can cause trouble with Bb5 and create a Queenside attack unles Black wastes an early tempo on a6.
  5. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Mar '07 14:32
    I would suggest 2...e6
  6. 23 Mar '07 18:47
    Originally posted by 93confirmed
    I've been playing against e4, Nf3 alot lately and I was wondering if any of you RHPers have had any success with the following second moves as Black against this opening: 2...Nf6, e6, b6, and g6.

    I'd really like to start playing some new lines other than the Najdorf and Orthodox. Does anyone have any comments on these responses (especially Nf6 and b6) and any examples of games that might be worth looking at?
    2...Nf6 is an older variation, I think their are a few games with it in there, and I don't think it transposes to the Alekhine Defense because black has played 2...c5 already which should benefit him. I think it's quite playable and will generally confuse the hell out of white.
  7. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Mar '07 19:07
    Originally posted by cmsMaster
    2...Nf6 is an older variation, I think their are a few games with it in there, and I don't think it transposes to the Alekhine Defense because black has played 2...c5 already which should benefit him. I think it's quite playable and will generally confuse the hell out of white.
    2...Nf6 is invention of great chess theoretic Aron Nimzovitch (1886-1935) and that line was often used by other chess player Akiba Rubinstein (1882-1961)
  8. 23 Mar '07 19:07
    2... e6 is a very solid response by Black, which I use almost exclusively. From it you can go into the Taimanov or the Kan, of which I prefer the latter.

    2... Nf6 is Nimzovich variation if I'm not mistaken, certainly playable for black.
  9. 23 Mar '07 19:29
    I'm playing in a tourney this Saturday and am almost certain that I'll have at least once chance to play against e4 Nf3. I know that e6 is probably the most solid out of the responses that I mentioned earlier but I'm leading toward 2...Nf6. Anyone care to provide some brief analysis on how White might proceed against this move. I'm going to look now and will follow up a little later...
  10. Standard member Dutch Defense
    Stealer of Souls
    23 Mar '07 20:01
    Originally posted by 93confirmed
    I've been playing against e4, Nf3 alot lately and I was wondering if any of you RHPers have had any success with the following second moves as Black against this opening: 2...Nf6, e6, b6, and g6.

    I'd really like to start playing some new lines other than the Najdorf and Orthodox. Does anyone have any comments on these responses (especially Nf6 and b6) and any examples of games that might be worth looking at?
    Sicilian Defense my a**.
  11. 23 Mar '07 20:26
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    Sicilian Defense my a**.
    pffftttt....

    Dutch Defense my @ss...
  12. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Mar '07 20:52
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    Sicilian Defense my a**.
    You are not obliged to show your ignorance.
  13. 23 Mar '07 21:07
    Personally, I've played the dragon variation and had success with it, white usually does good, following the book into the yugoslav attack but I find that I can usually grind it out into a winnable endgame. Maybe its just that I've never faced a proper attack, I'm not sure, I don't play it exclusively.

    1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7
  14. 23 Mar '07 23:03
    A typical continuation might be:

    3. e5 Nd5 4. Nc3 e6 5. NxN exN 6. d4 Nc6 7. dxc Bxc 8. Qxd Qb6 with attacking chances for both Black and White.

    It will definitely through your opponent out of any lines he's memorized in the Sicilian, and give you a psychological edge early on.
  15. 23 Mar '07 23:29
    Originally posted by 93confirmed
    I've been playing against e4, Nf3 alot lately and I was wondering if any of you RHPers have had any success with the following second moves as Black against this opening: 2...Nf6, e6, b6, and g6.

    I'd really like to start playing some new lines other than the Najdorf and Orthodox. Does anyone have any comments on these responses (especially Nf6 and b6) and any examples of games that might be worth looking at?
    2...Nf6 is a system unto itself, unrelated to other Sicilians. It has the reputation of being very dangerous for black; but if it's your speciality and your opponent is surprised, that might make up for the difficulties.

    2... e6 is a reasonable Sicilian move although personally I like playing against it as white. It's just not ambitious in terms of space or time. White has for more choice than he's used to.

    2... b6 looks dubious to me. Not enough central pressure and not ambitious enough. I would think white will get c4 in very soong and be better spatially as a result. Note most Sicilian systems prevent c2-c4, typically via ..Nf6 obliging Nc3. (Although not necessarily. 2... e6 makes it awkward via other means based upon ..Bb4, ..Bc5 mostly.) Also - doesn't experience show the Sicilian b pawn is frequently superior on b5?

    2... g6 is I believe the Hyper Accelerorated Dragon, or somesuch. Again it allows c4, although probably the extra pressure on d4 via the fianchetto makes this a touch less damning for black than in other off-beat lines. Very specialist and rare again, which is compensation for the black exponent.

    I think: Most Sicilian mainlines are almost exactly equal chances. These, you lessen the objective chances for black - but hope to capitalize on being more at home in the obscurity, in spite of the inferiority. Choices, choices.