Looking over a game I won recently, and trying to figure out why my opponent resigned.
Game 1743098
The way I see it, after 21. ... Rd8, I'm forced to play 22. Qxh6 for fear of allowing him freedom via 22. ... Kg7.
After I take the bishop, 22. Qxh6 Qxc2 protects the pawn I'm threatening to mate at and evens the material.
I don't see any clear cut way to win the game from there, as regardless of my 23rd move, 23 ... Qg6 (at worst) appears to neutralize my immediate chances.
Am I missing something elementary here?
Any other comments on the game welcome as well, I'm sure neither of us played flawlessly.
Originally posted by jerbee47He may be able to stop the mate, but you're up a piece to a pawn with position after you take the bishop.
Looking over a game I won recently, and trying to figure out why my opponent resigned.
Game 1743098
The way I see it, after 21. ... Rd8, I'm forced to play 22. Qxh6 for fear of allowing him freedom via 22. ... Kg7.
After I take the bishop, 22. Qxh6 Qxc2 protects the pawn I'm threatening to mate at and evens the material.
I don't see any cl ...[text shortened]...
Any other comments on the game welcome as well, I'm sure neither of us played flawlessly.
And, after his queen takes your pawn like you said, you have Nh5 which looks to be forced mate. After Rg8, Qf6+, Rg7, Qxg7#.
Originally posted by jerbee47It looks like Black can get out of it, a pawn down at best.
Looking over a game I won recently, and trying to figure out why my opponent resigned.
Game 1743098
The way I see it, after 21. ... Rd8, I'm forced to play 22. Qxh6 for fear of allowing him freedom via 22. ... Kg7.
After I take the bishop, 22. Qxh6 Qxc2 protects the pawn I'm threatening to mate at and evens the material.
I don't see any cl ...[text shortened]...
Any other comments on the game welcome as well, I'm sure neither of us played flawlessly.
21 .... Rf8
22 Qxh6 Bf5
23 Rfe1 Bg6
24 Rbc1 Qd8
and Black is safe. White is up a pawn with a little pressure but Black does have oppurtunities for counterplay on the c-file later on.
I'm sick today and nothing to do so I'll do a small analysis
1.e4 d6
2.d4 Nf6
3.Nc3 c6
4.h3 not a bad idea to stop ..Bg4, but f4 is played more often. It's a matter of personal taste as to whether you want to impede Black's ideas or begin a fast attack of your own.
4... Qb6 Not a good move. b5 needs to be played first if Black is going to put his Queen on the b-file.
5.Nf3 Nbd7
6.a3 Why?
6... e5
7.Rb1 7.Be3 is better as if 7..Qxb2 then 8.Na4 wins Queen for rook and pawn.
7... Be7
8.Be3 Qa5
9.Bd3 0-0
10.0-0 b5
11.d5 Why not 11.Nh4 to put the knight on f5. Try to maintain the central tension. If anything with greater development you should open the game.
11...cxd5
12.exd5 a6
13.Nh4 Re8
14.Nf5 Bf8
15.Be4 You could have played 15.Qf3 to develop the queen and bolster the pawn at the same time.
15...Qc7
16.Bg5 Black can play 16...Nxe4 17.Nxe4 Nb6 18.Qf3 Bxf5 19.Qxf5 Nxd5 and win a pawn.
16... Nc5 Black doesn't realise.
17.Nh6+ Kh8 17...gxh6 18.Bxf6 Nxe4 19.Nxe4 is better.
18.Bxf6 gxf6
19.Qh5 Nxe4 19...Bxh6 removes the annoying knight.
20.Nxe4 Bxh6
21.Nxf6 Black resigns. 1-0 Perhaps Black did not realise but this game is far from over (refer to my previous post)
Any edits will probably be due to my screwing up the bold tags, bear with me.
How's about,
21 .... Rf8
22 Qxh6 Bf5
23 Nh6 f6
24 Qxf6 Kg8
25 Qxf5
That would give white a piece, and chances to cause more trouble, unless I've missed something.
Edit: Oh, I really was wasn't I! Was reading that as 21 ... Rd8, thought it was a strange suggestion!
- Mike
Originally posted by mikenayI think you've made an error. 23.Nh6 can't be done as White's queen is there.
How's about,
21 .... Rf8
22 Qxh6 Bf5
23 Nh6 f6
24 Qxf6 Kg8
25 Qxf5
That would give white a piece, and chances to cause more trouble, unless I've missed something.
Edit: Oh, I really was wasn't I! Was reading that as 21 ... Rd8, thought it was a strange suggestion!
- Mike
Originally posted by jerbee4721...Rd8 22.Qxh6 Qxc2 23.Nxh7!
Looking over a game I won recently, and trying to figure out why my opponent resigned.
Game 1743098
The way I see it, after 21. ... Rd8, I'm forced to play 22. Qxh6 for fear of allowing him freedom via 22. ... Kg7.
After I take the bishop, 22. Qxh6 Qxc2 protects the pawn I'm threatening to mate at and evens the material.
I don't see any cl ...[text shortened]...
Any other comments on the game welcome as well, I'm sure neither of us played flawlessly.
Black must avoid both
23...Qg6 24.Qh4! threatening QxR+ and Nf8+
23...Qxh7 24.Qf6+ picking off the Rd8
Probably best is
23...Bf5 24.Nf6+ Bh7 25.Rbc1 Qg6 26.Qxh7+ Qxh7 27.Nxh7 Kxh7 28.Rc7 with an excellent endgame for White. He's a pawn up and has a Rook on the 7th, and the outpost on c6.
Perhaps Black could have played on longer, but unless these lines can be improved, I don't like his chances.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemThey can be improved. 21...Rf8 as I said earlier 🙂
21...Rd8 22.Qxh6 Qxc2 23.Nxh7!
[fen]r1br3k/5p1N/p2p3Q/1p1Pp3/8/P6P/1Pq2PP1/1R3RK1 b - - 0 3[/fen]
Black must avoid both
23...Qg6 24.Qh4! threatening QxR+ and Nf8+
23...Qxh7 24.Qf6+ picking off the Rd8
Probably best is
23...Bf5 24.Nf6+ Bh7 25.Rbc1 Qg6 26.Qxh7+ Qxh7 27.Nxh7 Kxh7 28.Rc7 with an excellent endgame for White. He's a pawn up and ...[text shortened]... could have played on longer, but unless these lines can be improved, I don't like his chances.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI agree if 22... Qxc2 Black is in trouble, but if 21... Rf8 22.g4 Kg7 the tables are turned, unless I'm missing something there.
One interesting line is 21...Rf8 22.g4!? and now if 22...Qxc2 23.Qxh6 Bb7 (what else?) 24.Nd7, and White threatens to take d6 and e5.
I think white has a better game after 21... Rf8 22.Qxh6 Bf5 then 23.g4.
Regardless, it appears that my opponents resignation was a little premature as I suspected. Thanks everyone for the analysis!
Originally posted by jerbee4721..Rf8 22.g4 Kg7 23.g5! keeps Black in trouble.
I agree if 22... Qxc2 Black is in trouble, but if 21... Rf8 22.g4 Kg7 the tables are turned, unless I'm missing something there.
I think white has a better game after 21... Rf8 22.Qxh6 Bf5 then 23.g4.
Regardless, it appears that my opponents resignation was a little premature as I suspected. Thanks everyone for the analysis!
Once I got home from work, I had Fritz 9 take a look at the position. It recommends 21...Rf8 22.Qxh6 Bf5
23.f4!! - a move overlooked by the human analysts. It threatens fxe5, putting the question to the Bishop. If the Bishop moves, f5! stops it from defending h7. If 23...Qc8 then 24.Nh5 mates, now that bQ is off the 7th rank. If 23...exf4 24.Rxf4 Bg6 (he must do something to stop the simple Rh4 and mates on h7) 25.Rg4! leaves Black busted. His Bishop can't move without allowing Qg7#.
Still, as Black, I would have played on a few more moves before resigning. I would at least make sure that my opponent saw 23.f4!! before giving up.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemTACTICAL EXERCISE
21..Rf8 22.g4 Kg7 23.g5! keeps Black in trouble.
Once I got home from work, I had Fritz 9 take a look at the position. It recommends 21...Rf8 22.Qxh6 Bf5
[fen]r4r1k/2q2p1p/p2p1N1Q/1p1Ppb2/8/P6P/1PP2PP1/1R3RK1 w - - 0 22[/fen]
23.f4!! - a move overlooked by the human analysts. It threatens fxe5, putting the question to the Bishop. If the Bisho ves before resigning. I would at least make sure that my opponent saw 23.f4!! before giving up.
What would you do after
21..Rf8 22.g4 Kg7 23.g5 Kh8 24.Qxh6 Bf5
-or-, in Fritz's line:
21..Rf8 22.Qxh6 Bf5 23.f4 exf4 24.Rxf4 Bg6 25.Rg4 Rg8
Btw: Good find with the 23.f4 line.