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  1. 23 Oct '10 00:00 / 1 edit
    Recently followed a game where white used space to trade down and go into an
    endgame where his advantage in space would be underlined, just wondering if
    there are any other scenarios in which the use of space may be utilised - thanks in
    advance Robbie,


    here is the game, its clear that blacks passive play resulted in going into an
    endgame where whites space advantage could be utilised but ive had a little red
    wine and it may come out a little tipsy,

    Kiselev v Cheriaev, Povedniki, 1992
  2. 23 Oct '10 00:03
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Recently followed a game where white used space to trade down and go into an
    endgame where his advantage in space would be underlined, just wondering if
    there are any other scenarios in which the use of space may be utilised - thanks in
    advance Robbie,


    here is the game, its clear that blacks passive play resulted in going into an
    endgam ...[text shortened]... 6 20. Nxc6 Bxc6 21. Bb6 Rd7 22. b4 Rc8 23. Kb3 Rdd8 24. Bxd8 Rxd8 25. e5 *[/pgn]
    Was the year "69"? It wasn't, huh
  3. 23 Oct '10 00:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tacoandlettuce
    Was the year "69"? It wasn't, huh
    69, the summer of luv!
  4. 23 Oct '10 00:05
    lol
  5. 23 Oct '10 05:34 / 2 edits
    In this game black had more space on the queenside.

    Result: 0-1

  6. 23 Oct '10 06:01
    In this game white is better after 11 moves.
    One usual plan in this position for white is to eventually castle, if he has time keep keep the dark squared bishop and play for f3 and e4
    White has more space in the centre and black's bishop on c8 isn't the best
  7. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    24 Oct '10 00:54
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    69, the summer of luv!
    That first game you posted, why did black pull that boner with the rook at the end? The game was over in two moves. Didn't seem like much of a strategic game to me.
  8. 25 Oct '10 21:56
    Originally posted by luke myster
    In this game black had more space on the queenside.

    Result: 0-1

    [pgn]1. c4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nb1c3 e6 4. e3 Ng8f6 5. Ng1f3 Bf8d6 6. b3 O-O 7. g3 Nb8d7 8. Qd1c2 Rf8e8 9. Bf1g2 Bd6b4 10. Bc1d2 Bb4xc3 11. Bd2xc3 Nf6e4 12. Bc3b4 a5 13. Bb4a3 b5 14. cxb5 cxb5 15. Nf3e5 b4 16. Ne5xd7 Qd8xd7 17. Ba3b2 Bc8a6 18. Bg2f1 Ra8c8 19. Qc2d1 Ba6xf1 20. Ke1xf1 Qd7b5 2 ...[text shortened]... 2 Nd1xe3 36. Kg2f3 Ne3xc2 37. Kf3e2 Nc2a3 38. Ke2d2 Na3b5 39. Kd2d3 f5 40. Kd3e3 Kg8f7 0-1[/pgn]
    Who played this game? It looks like the space advantage didn't really play a part. The main factor was a terriffic knight vs a horrible bishop and white had opportunities to trade it off.
  9. 25 Oct '10 22:07
    The main usefulness of space is the superior mobility of your army vs your opponent's. more space = more options and vice-versa
  10. 26 Oct '10 04:48
    What I meant by space, as what maxacre42 said, is having more mobility of your forces to unleash a better attack.
  11. 26 Oct '10 09:24
    Originally posted by luke myster
    What I meant by space, as what maxacre42 said, is having more mobility of your forces to unleash a better attack.
    yes this is true, but i do not presume for one moment to think that chess is that simple, otherwise the acquisition of space would mean an automatic advantage, indeed in many instances it may become a liability especially if we are unable to defend the space and our opponent gets 'behind', it. We often read in chess books of white 'having more space in the centre', as say in the Sicilian defence but whether it proves to be an advantage is of course up for debate. I really would like to see some good examples of the use of in a strategic sense of gaining and maintaining space and also some examples of assuming to much space and being unable to defend it.
  12. 26 Oct '10 11:03
    Michael Stean's classic Simple Chess has an excellent chapter on space.
  13. 26 Oct '10 16:50
    Originally posted by Zaubernuss
    Michael Stean's classic Simple Chess has an excellent chapter on space.
    strange for i have read t he book yet cannot recall it, i will do so again, many thanks
  14. 26 Oct '10 17:11
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    strange for i have read t he book yet cannot recall it, i will do so again, many thanks
    The last chapter, I think.
  15. 26 Oct '10 17:32
    Originally posted by Goshen
    The last chapter, I think.
    thats probably why Goshen my friend, there are literally a handful of chess books i have managed to finish cover to cover