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Speed vs. Accuracy in tactics practice

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Originally posted by wormwood
there's no limit for multiple accounts on CTS, and many have created a 'slow account' for the exact reason you describe. I don't see much point in it, but it's perfectly possible. no accounts on CTS are ever deleted, not even the known cheaters.
I agree with woodworm here. Just play as a guest then when your adrenaline is up log into your account and then log off once you start to fade.

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Originally posted by wormwood
fast tactics train mainly pattern recognition and intuition. slow tactics train more calculation.


you need both.
This is my opinion - fast and slow inform each other and you're not likely to develop one without the other. I'm sure you would see benefits in practicing tactics both ways.

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Originally posted by diskamyl


[fen]r4b1r/ppp3pp/4Q3/4p3/2Pqk3/8/PP1P1PPP/2B1K2R w K - 0 1[/fen]
white to move.
d3...Qxd3 is forced
Qg4#

That took about 15 seconds for me and it's a problem I haven't seen, but I do mate in two problems every day. I do have those problems that drive me crazy too. 😛

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Originally posted by Badwater
d3...Qxd3 is forced
Qg4#

That took about 15 seconds for me and it's a problem I haven't seen, but I do mate in two problems every day. I do have those problems that drive me crazy too. 😛
d3+ Kxd3

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Originally posted by Badwater
d3...Qxd3 is forced
Qg4#

That took about 15 seconds for me and it's a problem I haven't seen, but I do mate in two problems every day. I do have those problems that drive me crazy too. 😛
no. and it's very self-confident of you to think you have solved a "challenging problem that drove me crazy" in 15 seconds 🙂

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Yeah, that's what I get for glancing at it whilte working! 😛

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This has been an interesting look into approaches to CTS...I've struggled with the same dilemmas: rating vs. accuracy.
I see the logic in your approach here wormwood, thanks.

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So Wormwood, are you saying that doing what it takes to pursue a higher rating on CTS is the most efficient way to train?

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It is true; not clicking like a "chicken without head" improves your accuracy quite a lot (even improves rating a bit). I've not gone as far as setting up positions yet, but the last twenty were made flawlessly - although I took ridiculously long for a few, which is against the spirit of the CTS positions, I feel.

edit: ai, two mistakes after 25 correct ones. I've got a long way to go.

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Originally posted by Reverb
So Wormwood, are you saying that doing what it takes to pursue a higher rating on CTS is the most efficient way to train?
no, just the opposite. high accuracy gives you most improvement over time. which requires you to take more solving time, which in turn causes the rating drop.

but, there's a small catch: high accuracy is far more exhausting mentally, as well as takes more time. which means the problem throughput per hour decreases, as it does per day because you can't come up with the extra mental energy. - at 67% you can sustain 400 probs a day over months, indefinitely, and end the sessions without much exhaustion. at 95% a 200 probs a day is a lot, and at 99% a 100/day is very hard to sustain.

in single sessions you can do huge numbers, I've done 1100 problems in one day. but it isn't sustainable over longer periods so there's no payoff. in fact, unsustainable training amounts are the easiest way to burn out and score a training break of months (been there, done that, didn't learn, did it again), or permanently (which happened to de la maza). you need to train very hard, but it needs to be sustainable. I think the limit of "what's sustainable" is what separates masters and amateurs, or in other words: willpower.

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Originally posted by heinzkat
It is true; not clicking like a "chicken without head" improves your accuracy quite a lot (even improves rating a bit). I've not gone as far as setting up positions yet, but the last twenty were made flawlessly - although I took ridiculously long for a few, which is against the spirit of the CTS positions, I feel.
when you look at the last 20 problems of any high accuracy solver, it's typical to see one or two problems which took 120s, 176s, 236s or something like that. you never see these on a low accuracy solver, because his itchy trigger finger fires randomly after a while, regardless of the position.

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Originally posted by wormwood
... in fact, unsustainable training amounts are the easiest way to burn out and score a training break of months (been there, done that, didn't learn, did it again), or permanently (which happened to de la maza). you need to train very hard, but it needs to be sustainable. I think the limit of "what's sustainable" is what separates masters and amateurs, or in other words: willpower.
I think this is a very good point. A real common problem is:

A player wants to get better
He trains really hard at some aspect of the game (tactics, openings, endings, whatever) for a month or two
He gets burned out on chess
His play is not better (or even worse, temporarily) than before
He becomes discouraged about training

Some key points (IMO only):

1) Rotate aspects of the game you train on so you don't get burned out.
2) Stop training when you start to feel tired - poor quality learning doesn't help (its like cramming all night for exams; it may help tomorrow but you don't retain it well).
3) Be sure to actually play some chess, too.
4) Make sure you get plenty of sleep (this helps to retain what you're studying)
5) Try to have fun training - there's some drudgery no matter what, but try methods which are more entertaining for you.

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Originally posted by Reverb
So Wormwood, are you saying that doing what it takes to pursue a higher rating on CTS is the most efficient way to train?
IMO one should use CTS as training for online fast games. If your rating on ICC/PlayChess/FICS remains the same but you are "improving" on CTS, it means you could be cheating yourself.

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Originally posted by Jie
IMO one should use CTS as training for online fast games. If your rating on ICC/PlayChess/FICS remains the same but you are "improving" on CTS, it means you could be cheating yourself.
contrary to popular (but baseless) belief, CTS has close to zero effect on blitz. it mainly affects slow chess.

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Originally posted by wormwood
contrary to popular (but baseless) belief, CTS has close to zero effect on blitz. it mainly affects slow chess.
You don't have a few seconds to solve tactical problems in OTB like in blitz/rapid chess. I think the truth has hit a raw nerve.