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  1. 13 Jun '08 20:59
    What does this mean? The spinning star. I didn't see anything in the faq about it
  2. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    13 Jun '08 21:02
    Originally posted by CEE DOG
    What does this mean? The spinning star. I didn't see anything in the faq about it
    100K+ moves.
  3. Subscriber AttilaTheHorn
    Erro Ergo Sum
    13 Jun '08 22:03
    Is it possible to earn the spinning star in just one game by the two players simply moving back and forth for 100,000 moves (1.Nf3 Nf6, 2.Nf1 Nf8, 3. Nf3 Nf6, etc.) without claiming a draw? With a bit of effort, this could be done in less than a couple of months, maybe faster.
  4. 13 Jun '08 23:12
    or about their macros/bots ;-)
  5. 14 Jun '08 00:07
    do you guys uswe book on the opening to help beat opponets during your games???
  6. Standard member eldragonfly
    leperchaun messiah
    15 Jun '08 05:06
    Originally posted by lumax
    do you guys uswe book on the opening to help beat opponets during your games???
    i sure don't consider it to be bad form, that is.
  7. Subscriber AttilaTheHorn
    Erro Ergo Sum
    15 Jun '08 08:40
    Originally posted by lumax
    do you guys uswe book on the opening to help beat opponets during your games???
    Using books has always been within the rules in CC and there is therefore nothing wrong with doing so on RHP. It's against the rules in OTB, but not in CC.
  8. Standard member eldragonfly
    leperchaun messiah
    15 Jun '08 21:04
    Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
    Using books has always been within the rules in CC...
    That is a rather "loose" statement. i think you mean impossible to prevent.
  9. Standard member Kepler
    Demon Duck
    15 Jun '08 21:37
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    That is a rather "loose" statement. i think you mean impossible to prevent.
    The use of books and databases is explicity permitted by certain CC organisations so it is within the rules not just impossible to prevent. I notice this site explicitly permits such aids.
  10. Standard member eldragonfly
    leperchaun messiah
    15 Jun '08 21:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Kepler
    The use of books and databases is explicity permitted by certain CC organisations so it is within the rules not just impossible to prevent. I notice this site explicitly permits such aids.
    No, it's this "flawed" historical precedent of using databases and books in online chess sites that i take exception to.
  11. Subscriber AttilaTheHorn
    Erro Ergo Sum
    15 Jun '08 23:19
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    That is a rather "loose" statement. i think you mean impossible to prevent.
    No, I meant what I said and I said what I meant. It is within the rules.
  12. 16 Jun '08 00:31 / 1 edit
    The use of opening books in Corr chess was debated
    more than 60 years ago.

    It was deemed impossible to stop so was allowed. Actually a
    risky business because opening books are littered with lemons.

    At one time it was frowned upon to even look at adjourned games,
    but again how could 'you stop one thinking about it.'

    And you think about it - it is impossible to tell if someone is using
    an opening book. You cannot question someone's memory.
    Therefore the bodies that control these things allow book use.

    However once the middle game starts. Then the player is on
    his own and the chess playing starts. No book can give you all
    the middle game moves.

    But if you still unconvinced and still a have gripe against it.
    Contact FIDE and take it up with them.
    After all it's their book of rules that allow Corr players to
    use opening books.

    You will find their web site a few mouse clicks away.
    I'm sure they would be very interested to hear from you.
  13. Standard member slappy115
    Slappy slap slap
    16 Jun '08 18:08
    Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
    Is it possible to earn the spinning star in just one game by the two players simply moving back and forth for 100,000 moves (1.Nf3 Nf6, 2.Nf1 Nf8, 3. Nf3 Nf6, etc.) without claiming a draw? With a bit of effort, this could be done in less than a couple of months, maybe faster.
    So I decided to figure this out to see what the max number of moves you could make in a game without it being considered a draw, that is, until the 50 move rule or the three repeating move kicks in.

    Assuming you don't repeat any moves three times, you would have 50 moves before a pawn would have to be moved or a piece captured so we will move a pawn. It is also possible for each pawn to move 4 places before it reaches the other pawns so we have 16*4*50 = 3200 (16 pawns, 4 moves, 50 move max).

    Now we can also reset the counter by capturing. There are 30 pieces that can be captured so we have 30*50 = 1500. This is assuming the queen or rook is the last piece each side has as to not draw for lack of material.

    So we would have the original 50 moves plus the 16 moves plus the 30 moves to reset the counter so 96 moves.

    We have a grand total of 4796 moves before a chess game would draw. I would imagine it would be possible to get higher than that with creative manipulation of the pawns to the 7th and 8th rows but that would be for another time.
  14. Standard member Kepler
    Demon Duck
    16 Jun '08 18:14
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    No, it's this "flawed" historical precedent of using databases and books in online chess sites that i take exception to.
    Nothing to do with historical precedent, flawed or not. The use of books and databases is explicitly permitted in certain CC organisations. Others merely accept the use of same, others just don't mention them at all. In the case of this site the rules state "(b) While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party. Endgame tablebases may not be consulted during play but you may reference books, databases consisting of previously played games between human players, and other pre-existing research materials." Referencing books and databases is explicitly permitted.
  15. Standard member eldragonfly
    leperchaun messiah
    16 Jun '08 18:49
    Originally posted by Kepler
    Nothing to do with historical precedent, flawed or not. The use of books and databases is explicitly permitted in certain CC organisations. Others merely accept the use of same, others just don't mention them at all. In the case of this site the rules state "(b) While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by ...[text shortened]... er pre-existing research materials." Referencing books and databases is explicitly permitted.
    Sorry Kepler, but greenpawns "analysis" seems a little more balanced, thoughtful and coherent, this always pointing to "historical" precedent or the faq here is a bit dull and arbitrary.