Originally posted by eldragonflyThe use of books and databases is explicity permitted by certain CC organisations so it is within the rules not just impossible to prevent. I notice this site explicitly permits such aids.
That is a rather "loose" statement. i think you mean impossible to prevent.
Originally posted by KeplerNo, it's this "flawed" historical precedent of using databases and books in online chess sites that i take exception to.
The use of books and databases is explicity permitted by certain CC organisations so it is within the rules not just impossible to prevent. I notice this site explicitly permits such aids.
The use of opening books in Corr chess was debated
more than 60 years ago.
It was deemed impossible to stop so was allowed. Actually a
risky business because opening books are littered with lemons.
At one time it was frowned upon to even look at adjourned games,
but again how could 'you stop one thinking about it.'
And you think about it - it is impossible to tell if someone is using
an opening book. You cannot question someone's memory.
Therefore the bodies that control these things allow book use.
However once the middle game starts. Then the player is on
his own and the chess playing starts. No book can give you all
the middle game moves.
But if you still unconvinced and still a have gripe against it.
Contact FIDE and take it up with them.
After all it's their book of rules that allow Corr players to
use opening books.
You will find their web site a few mouse clicks away.
I'm sure they would be very interested to hear from you.
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornSo I decided to figure this out to see what the max number of moves you could make in a game without it being considered a draw, that is, until the 50 move rule or the three repeating move kicks in.
Is it possible to earn the spinning star in just one game by the two players simply moving back and forth for 100,000 moves (1.Nf3 Nf6, 2.Nf1 Nf8, 3. Nf3 Nf6, etc.) without claiming a draw? With a bit of effort, this could be done in less than a couple of months, maybe faster.
Assuming you don't repeat any moves three times, you would have 50 moves before a pawn would have to be moved or a piece captured so we will move a pawn. It is also possible for each pawn to move 4 places before it reaches the other pawns so we have 16*4*50 = 3200 (16 pawns, 4 moves, 50 move max).
Now we can also reset the counter by capturing. There are 30 pieces that can be captured so we have 30*50 = 1500. This is assuming the queen or rook is the last piece each side has as to not draw for lack of material.
So we would have the original 50 moves plus the 16 moves plus the 30 moves to reset the counter so 96 moves.
We have a grand total of 4796 moves before a chess game would draw. I would imagine it would be possible to get higher than that with creative manipulation of the pawns to the 7th and 8th rows but that would be for another time.
Originally posted by eldragonflyNothing to do with historical precedent, flawed or not. The use of books and databases is explicitly permitted in certain CC organisations. Others merely accept the use of same, others just don't mention them at all. In the case of this site the rules state "(b) While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party. Endgame tablebases may not be consulted during play but you may reference books, databases consisting of previously played games between human players, and other pre-existing research materials." Referencing books and databases is explicitly permitted.
No, it's this "flawed" historical precedent of using databases and books in online chess sites that i take exception to.