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Looking for the ethics here.

I am in a situation where I do not believe I can win unless my opponent makes a huge error (which I believe is very unlikely); I have my Queen plus pawns, my opponent has two Rooks plus pawns.

I feel I the honourable thing to do is resign; however, do I continue hoping for that unlikely mistake resulting in a draw or even miraculously, a win?

Rating (which will go down anyway) is not an issue.

I am looking for others' thoughts on such a situation on what they would do.

Regards

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@MartinS said
Looking for the ethics here.

I am in a situation where I do not believe I can win unless my opponent makes a huge error (which I believe is very unlikely); I have my Queen plus pawns, my opponent has two Rooks plus pawns.

I feel I the honourable thing to do is resign; however, do I continue hoping for that unlikely mistake resulting in a draw or even miraculously, a win ...[text shortened]... n issue.

I am looking for others' thoughts on such a situation on what they would do.

Regards
In my opinion ,It is all down to the individual.I used to struggle along,defending desperately in games where my position was practically hopeless.I found that wasting time on such games was affecting my other games and ,like you I don't really care about my rating so now i just resign.You may come across some players who will carry on to the bitter end,moving at the final minute of timeout every time but we are all different.

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@MartinS said
Looking for the ethics here.

I am in a situation where I do not believe I can win unless my opponent makes a huge error (which I believe is very unlikely); I have my Queen plus pawns, my opponent has two Rooks plus pawns.

I feel I the honourable thing to do is resign; however, do I continue hoping for that unlikely mistake resulting in a draw or even miraculously, a win ...[text shortened]... n issue.

I am looking for others' thoughts on such a situation on what they would do.

Regards
I play on as long as I see a resonable chance. I give up when I am convinced that there is nothing in for me.

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@Ponderable said
I play on as long as I see a resonable chance. I give up when I am convinced that there is nothing in for me.
That is what I expected and agree

Regards

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@venda said
In my opinion ,It is all down to the individual.I used to struggle along,defending desperately in games where my position was practically hopeless.I found that wasting time on such games was affecting my other games and ,like you I don't really care about my rating so now i just resign.You may come across some players who will carry on to the bitter end,moving at the final minute of timeout every time but we are all different.
I agree totally with the wasting time/energy on a lost cause; resign and move on.

I have the same philosophy to my share trading; cut your losses and put your energy (or in this case, money, into the next trade) and recoup and hopefully make more.

Cheers

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In my view, it really depends on the position. If i have real hopes that errors can be made, i press it. If not, i resign. No point to waste my and my opponent's time in a total lost scenario (for example, make a 1600's player to make a mate with 2 rooks against lone king, is just absurd, namely without clock pressure).

It really depends on opponent too. If i have a lost position, but my opponent is so much weaker than myself and i really believe that i can lure him into errors, i may press it a bit more.

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I looked at the game in question. Black resigned here.


42...Qd5 threatening mate in one. (42...Qf3 is a bit too obvious)
42...h3 is also a try because the hasty 43.c7 Qd1+ and Black is winning.

I could show you 1,000's yes thousands of RHP games where a mate in one has
been missed. You have to remember due to the number of games we play we are
all giving a simultaneous display. That is why the blunders we see are here are not
the kind you see OTB where mates in one are missed very rarely.

In the game here. White has just played 16.c2-c4.


16....dxc3 gives Black a tremendous game.

and here (Black to play)


42...Qe4+ instead of 42...Qd8 and Black has excellent pep-check drawing chances.

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@Filipe-Fonseca said
In my view, it really depends on the position. If i have real hopes that errors can be made, i press it. If not, i resign. No point to waste my and my opponent's time in a total lost scenario (for example, make a 1600's player to make a mate with 2 rooks against lone king, is just absurd, namely without clock pressure).

It really depends on opponent too. If i have a ...[text shortened]... weaker than myself and i really believe that i can lure him into errors, i may press it a bit more.
You said Queen to D1

But King to f2 (unless a huge mistake with a Rook by white)

What next?

My Queen couldn't take either of the Rooks?

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I like the h pawn move; then I get one of the Rooks?

However, I told my opponent I would resign and so I did.

Damn.

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42...h3 is also a try because the hasty 43.c7 Qd1+ and Black is winning.
White cannot play 44 .Kg2 so it has to be 44.Re1 Qxc2

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@greenpawn34

If this is a running game, it should not be analysed here.


@moonbus said
@greenpawn34

If this is a running game, it should not be analysed here.
Look on the first sentence of Geoffs first post: Black has already resigned.

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@Ponderable said
Look on the first sentence of Geoffs first post: Black has already resigned.
Looking for the ethics here.

I am in a situation where I do not believe I can win unless my opponent makes a huge error (which I believe is very unlikely); I have my Queen plus pawns, my opponent has two Rooks plus pawns.


It's all present tense, Pondy.

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@moonbus edit should be @Ponderable sorry moonbus
As the original poster I am well aware that games in play should not be discussed.

I had already told my opponent I would resign; which I did despite finding a possible solution.

I appreciate that someone showed me where I went wrong/could have done better.

Hope that is ok

Regards

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"I am in a situation where I do not believe I can win unless my opponent makes a huge error"

Excepting on time, or an opponent resigning in a won position you cannot win any
game unless a blunder is made. I would have tried one of the two moves that
required an exact reply and then resigned. I have no problem with anyone playing
on and on in a clearly lost position. Some here possibly think it is bad manners to resign.

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@greenpawn34 said
"I am in a situation where I do not believe I can win unless my opponent makes a huge error"

Excepting on time, or an opponent resigning in a won position you cannot win any
game unless a blunder is made. I would have tried one of the two moves that
required an exact reply and then resigned. I have no problem with anyone playing
on and on in a clearly lost position. Some here possibly think it is bad manners to resign.
"Some here possibly think it is bad manners to resign"


Why is it considered to be bad manners to resign?

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