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    20 Jul '06 15:58
    This should be fun for all.See an intresting puzzle or study?Post it here 🙂

    White to move.Does white win,lose or draw?And show us how you think it should go,of course.

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    20 Jul '06 17:21
    1. b7 wins by force, after 1. b7 f2 2. bxa8 = Q (and not 2. Rf8 Nd2+) f1=Q 3. Qe5+ white can force the exchange of queens for an easy endgame.
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    20 Jul '06 17:241 edit
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    1. b7 wins by force, after 1. b7 f2 2. bxa8 = Q (and not 2. Rf8 Nd2+) f1=Q 3. Qe5+ white can force the exchange of queens for an easy endgame.
    What about 1....Nd7 or c6 check?
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    20 Jul '06 17:27
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    1. b7 wins by force, after 1. b7 f2 2. bxa8 = Q (and not 2. Rf8 Nd2+) f1=Q 3. Qe5+ white can force the exchange of queens for an easy endgame.
    Nope.1.b7,Nc6+ followed by Rxd8 and white's dead.
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    20 Jul '06 17:271 edit
    Umm b7 looses instantly to Nc6+.Oups someone beat me to it.
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    20 Jul '06 18:39
    Originally posted by omulcusobolani
    Umm b7 looses instantly to Nc6+.Oups someone beat me to it.
    1.b7 is as good as any other move. black wins in all variations.

    1.Kd6 axb6! (not f2?? Re8+ Kd1 Rf8 = or f2?? Re8 Kf1 b7 +-)
    1.b7 Nc6+ 2.Kd6 Rxd8+ 3.Kxc6 f2 4.Kc7 Rf8 5.b8=Q Rxb8 6.Kxb8 f1=q 7.Kxa7 Qb5 8.d5 Qxd5 9.Kb8 Qb5+ 10.Ka7 Kd2 -+
    1.d5! Nc6+!! (not axb6 a7 Rxa7 Rxb8 Ra6 d6 f2 d7 f1=q d8=q with complications. or 1...Nc7+ 2.Rxc7 axb6 3.Rb7 Rxa6 4.d6 f2 d7 f1=q d8=q with similar complications) 2.dxc6 Rxd8 3.c7 Re8+ 4.Kd6 axb6 5.Kd7 Ra8 6.c8=Q Rxc8 7.Kxc8 f2 8.Kb7 f1=q -+

    all other moves black should win easily.
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    20 Jul '06 20:45
    Originally posted by aginis
    1.b7 is as good as any other move. black wins in all variations.

    1.Kd6 axb6! (not f2?? Re8+ Kd1 Rf8 = or f2?? Re8 Kf1 b7 +-)
    1.b7 Nc6+ 2.Kd6 Rxd8+ 3.Kxc6 f2 4.Kc7 Rf8 5.b8=Q Rxb8 6.Kxb8 f1=q 7.Kxa7 Qb5 8.d5 Qxd5 9.Kb8 Qb5+ 10.Ka7 Kd2 -+
    1.d5! Nc6+!! (not axb6 a7 Rxa7 Rxb8 Ra6 d6 f2 d7 f1=q d8=q with complications. or 1...Nc7+ 2.Rxc7 axb6 3.Rb7 Rxa6 4.d6 ...[text shortened]... 6 axb6 5.Kd7 Ra8 6.c8=Q Rxc8 7.Kxc8 f2 8.Kb7 f1=q -+

    all other moves black should win easily.
    Nope,black doesn't win,white has a better move
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    20 Jul '06 20:50
    Originally posted by Gorgar
    Nope,black doesn't win,white has a better move
    are you sure?
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    20 Jul '06 23:021 edit
    Originally posted by aginis
    are you sure?
    Absolutely 🙂
    Since there isn't much intrest I'll give you the first move and objective.
    White draws after 1.Ke4
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    21 Jul '06 08:51
    Originally posted by Gorgar
    Absolutely 🙂
    Since there isn't much intrest I'll give you the first move and objective.
    White draws after 1.Ke4
    1.Ke4 f2 2.b7! f1=Q 3.bxa8=q Qg2+! 4.Ke3!! Qxa8 5.d5! and now white simply maintains the opposition.
    i missed 5.d5 the first time around and then i missed 4.Ke3 the second time around.
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    21 Jul '06 09:54
    Originally posted by aginis
    1.Ke4 f2 2.b7! f1=Q 3.bxa8=q Qg2+! 4.Ke3!! Qxa8 5.d5! and now white simply maintains the opposition.
    i missed 5.d5 the first time around and then i missed 4.Ke3 the second time around.
    Exactly!It's a study by Somov-Nasimovich 1938.
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    21 Jul '06 11:14
    Another great escape.
    White to move draws.
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    21 Jul '06 12:45
    Originally posted by Gorgar
    Another great escape.
    White to move draws.
    [fen]8/6B1/8/2K5/2p1kppp/2P5/2P2PP1/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    Clearly white must address the threat of h3

    The only way i can see to do that is
    1. Bd4 h3
    2. f3+ gxf3
    3. gxf3+ Kxf3
    4. Bf4
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    21 Jul '06 12:482 edits
    Originally posted by zebano
    Clearly white must address the threat of h3

    The only way i can see to do that is
    1. Bd4 h3
    2. f3+ gxf3
    3. gxf3+ Kxf3
    4. Bf4
    i think you mean
    1.Bd4 h3?
    2.f3+gxf3
    3.gxh3! any
    4.Bf2 +-

    More interesting of course is
    1.Bd4 f3!
    2.g3!? (2.gxf3+ Kxf3 3.Kxc4 h3 4.Be5 Kxf2 5.Kd3 g3 6.c4 h2 7.c3 h1=Q -+)
    2...h3
    3.Kxc4 h2
    4.Kb3 h1=q
    5.Kb2 Qe1
    6.Bc5 Kd5
    7.Bb6 Kc4
    8.Bd4 Qd2!! (triangulation for zugzwang)
    9.Kb1 (Ka2 Qc1 any Qxc2+ and wins.)
    9...Qd1+
    10.Kb2 Qe1 (zugzwang)
    11.Ka2 Qc1
    12.any Qxc2+ -+
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    21 Jul '06 13:48
    Originally posted by aginis
    i think you mean
    1.Bd4 h3?
    2.f3+gxf3
    3.gxh3! any
    4.Bf2 +-
    4 ... h2 wins for black.
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