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Originally posted by Dutch DefenseNot so much here, I have lost badly with Bird's opening; and remember it more fondly as black than as white. Which may seem odd as I am a dedicated Dutch defence player. The Dutch is one of those double edged swords...
This is my favortie opening because I win most of my games with it. For those who don't know (1.f4).😀
What I've found with white playing it is that it's not like the Dutch with a move in hand, unless you look at 19th Century games, it's got quite a different feel to it; for one thing white playing the Bird has time to get the white squared bishop onto the a1-h8 diagonal, whereas black with the Dutch has less scope to make the equivalent manouvre (to the a8-h1 diagonal), and that is something that affects both players decisions in an opening.
edit: Not trying to sound negative, more cautious - I intend to play Bird's opening as one of my first choice weapons; so you understand where I'm coming from.
Originally posted by Dragon FireNot to take away from that but white just played the King's Gambit (Transposed) wrong. Obviously you're not supposed to take 3.fxe5 Qh4+ 4.g3 and then let your knight get taken like that. 😲
Here is black destroying the Bird in 7 moves
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[b]and not against a patzer either[/b]
Originally posted by Dragon FireBut this is not Bird, is it? This is Kings Gambit, the Nimzowitsch Counter-Gambit.
Here is black destroying the Bird in 7 moves
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[b]and not against a patzer either[/b]
I you, as white, doesn't know how to handle this, then you are dead. Which black nicely demonstrated.
Everything is not Bird what opens with f4.
Originally posted by FabianFnasTrue, it transposed into a Falkbeer Counter Gambit but a Bird was intended.
But this is not Bird, is it? This is Kings Gambit, the Nimzowitsch Counter-Gambit.
I you, as white, doesn't know how to handle this, then you are dead. Which black nicely demonstrated.
Everything is not Bird what opens with f4.
Originally posted by Dragon FireTry it against tmetzler.
Here is black destroying the Bird in 7 moves
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[b]and not against a patzer either[/b]
tokamak nailed me twice with the Bird--I never could quite seem to get a my mind around the opening. 😕
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The Bird, like any other opening, requires that you know what you are doing. Simply pushing 1.f4 doesnt cut it.
This is the Antoshin variation in action:
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And an example of how to play From's Gambit properly. I must point out that I cant take all the credit here as we were "in book" until move 21.
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Edit: Tmeztler and I have both annoted the first game. To see it you must first join the "aves clan"!!!
Originally posted by UndeadNightOrchttp://videochess.net/
GM Henrik Danielsen uses it very effectively in a lot of internet games,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFfQASWu-Bk
check out the side bar to see more examples (up to 7) of it.
The commentary he includes is very educational. Highly recommended.
(Don't ask me why he calls it the Polar Bear System)
Using his site is easier.
Originally posted by Dutch DefenseThe main problem I had with f4 was the from gambit. Black gets to call the tune and in many lines the pressure on your e pawn is very restrictive. In other lines you can easily lose to a pawn storm. I used to play the KG, but the whole point of f4 is to avoid such main line openings.
This is my favortie opening because I win most of my games with it. For those who don't know (1.f4).😀
Also if black wants a quiet game it can do a kings indian set up and force a stonewall.
I think the best line is if black gets its move order right and avoid Nc6, they can play e5 and get a great centre. (I played Tony Miles once and that's what he played against me).
Originally posted by petrosianpupilRubbish!
[b]The main problem I had with f4 was the from gambit. Black gets to call the tune and in many lines the pressure on your e pawn is very restrictive. In other lines you can easily lose to a pawn storm.
The From is dubious AT BEST and is based on a succesion of single move threats.
The reason its an effective weapon on occasion is that like any other sharp gambit if you don't know the theory and have to "work it out" OTB chances are you will make a mistake.
The above game I posted is a prime example of how to beat the From. Black come out of the opening a piece down.
If I was playing the white side I would be very disappointed not to exit the opening at LEAST a pawn up.
Im sorry if this an "angry" post but I feel very strongly about this (as the other aves will know!!!) and have had this conversation numerous times at my club!!