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  1. Standard member rbmorris
    Vampyroteuthis
    25 Jan '10 18:18
    Interesting article by Garry Kasparov, just published in the New York Times.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23592
  2. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    25 Jan '10 18:45
    Originally posted by rbmorris
    Interesting article by Garry Kasparov, just published in the New York Times.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23592
    Great article! Keep 'em coming.
  3. Standard member Nowakowski
    10. O-O
    25 Jan '10 18:58 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by rbmorris
    Interesting article by Garry Kasparov, just published in the New York Times.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23592
    Rec'd

    Garry Kasparov The Chess Master and the Computer
    2:2
    The heavy use of computer analysis has pushed the game itself in new directions.
    The machine doesn't care about style or patterns or hundreds of years of established theory.
    It counts up the values of the chess pieces, analyzes a few
    billion moves, and counts them up again. (A computer translates each piece and each
    positional factor into a value in order to reduce the game to numbers it can crunch.)
    It is entirely free of prejudice and doctrine and this has contributed to the
    development of players who are almost as free of dogma as the machines with which
    they train. Increasingly, a move isn't good or bad because it looks that way or
    because it hasn't been done that way before. It's simply good if it works and bad if it
    doesn't. Although we still require a strong measure of intuition and logic to play well,
    humans today are starting to play more like computers.


    Very much worth reading.


    -GIN
  4. 25 Jan '10 19:00
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  5. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    25 Jan '10 19:07
    Originally posted by Nowakowski
    Rec'd

    Garry Kasparov The Chess Master and the Computer
    2:2
    The heavy use of computer analysis has pushed the game itself in new directions.
    The machine doesn't care about style or patterns or hundreds of years of established theory. It counts up the values of the chess pieces, analyzes a few
    billion moves, and counts them up again. (A ...[text shortened]... re starting to play more like computers.


    Very much worth reading.


    -GIN
    I just purchased IM John Watson's "Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy" and "Modern Chess Strategy In Action", which discuss and promote this very idea. Very compelling!
  6. 25 Jan '10 19:36
    Originally posted by Nowakowski
    Rec'd

    Garry Kasparov The Chess Master and the Computer
    2:2
    The heavy use of computer analysis has pushed the game itself in new directions.
    The machine doesn't care about style or patterns or hundreds of years of established theory.
    It counts up the values of the chess pieces, analyzes a few
    billion moves, and counts them up again. ( ...[text shortened]... re starting to play more like computers.


    Very much worth reading.


    -GIN
    ALL UR MOV35 R BELNG 2 U5
  7. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    25 Jan '10 20:24
    Originally posted by Ice Cold
    ALL UR MOV35 R BELNG 2 U5
    Make your time.
  8. Standard member JonathanB of London
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    25 Jan '10 22:09
    Originally posted by rbmorris
    Interesting article by Garry Kasparov, just published in the New York Times.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23592
    Very interesting article, thanks for the tip-off.

    If Kasparov actually wrote any of that I'll eat my (and anybody else's) computer - it doesn't read like his voice at all and I just don't believe he knows all that stuff. Still, that doesn't stop it being fascinating.

    Was the specific reference to an online chess site really necessary? Does that help us with who the actual author was.
  9. Standard member Nowakowski
    10. O-O
    25 Jan '10 23:46
    Originally posted by JonathanB of London
    Very interesting article, thanks for the tip-off.

    If Kasparov actually wrote any of that I'll eat my (and anybody else's) computer - it doesn't read like his voice at all and I just don't believe he knows all that stuff. Still, that doesn't stop it being fascinating.

    Was the specific reference to an online chess site really necessary? Does that help us with who the actual author was.
    Get ready to swallow:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/22/gary-kasparov-on-chess-me_n_432043.html

    http://myprops.org/content/Garry-Kasparov-On-Chess-Metaphors-The-Chess-Master-And-The-Computer/

    http://www.silobreaker.com/garry-kasparov-11_995085

    (where you can see multiple links to the article - hosted on multiple sites)


    Seems to me, that even when you search Google for "Kasparov on Chess Metaphors"
    you'll find this article, over, and over, and over again...always written by the same
    ex World Champion.

    -GIN
  10. 26 Jan '10 04:12
    Didnt GK get beat by Deep Blue?
  11. 26 Jan '10 04:33
    Originally posted by Jason Harrison
    Didnt GK get beat by Deep Blue?
    yes under mysterious circumstances, computers making human style moves etc
  12. 26 Jan '10 05:51
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes under mysterious circumstances, computers making human style moves etc
    A Grandmaster was sat overseeing Deep Blue allegedly? IBM would never surrender the data sheets....
  13. 26 Jan '10 06:00
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    Make your time.
    GG
  14. 26 Jan '10 06:01
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes under mysterious circumstances, computers making human style moves etc
    He freaked out because the computer refused the sacrifice he offered, something that was unusual at the time. The same so called human moves are found by today's computers. He was just an embarassed sore loser.
  15. 26 Jan '10 06:06
    Originally posted by Maxacre42
    He freaked out because the computer refused the sacrifice he offered, something that was unusual at the time. The same so called human moves are found by today's computers. He was just an embarassed sore loser.
    yes he freaked out, wouldn't you! here the machine is a greedy materialist and it refuses your material? and as Jason states, they never released the data sheets and ol Joel Benjamin overseeing everything, mmm, vewy vewy intewesting Mr.Bond!