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In this game my opponent played a better opening but instead of regaining his pawn he tries the greek gift. I thought I could defend but that the position is hairy!

What thinkst thou? Any chess programs or players who can analyse this and tell me if I was right to castle into it?

Game 1076447

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Originally posted by demonseed
In this game my opponent played a better opening but instead of regaining his pawn he tries the greek gift. I thought I could defend but that the position is hairy!

What thinkst thou? Any chess programs or players who can analyse this and tell me if I was right to castle into it?

Game 1076447
even though white wins back his sacrificed piece with 13. exf6+! e.p. Kxf6 14. Nh7+ Kf7 15. Nxf8, I think black might have a slight advantage. But I can't tell what will happen next.

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Originally posted by demonseed
In this game my opponent played a better opening but instead of regaining his pawn he tries the greek gift. I thought I could defend but that the position is hairy!

What thinkst thou? Any chess programs or players who can analyse this ...[text shortened]... nd tell me if I was right to castle into it?

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white could have played Qg4 on move 12 threatening to win the queen with a discovered check! better!

also, white should capture en passant on move 13!

he missed two important moves

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I dont see why your opponent resinged.
I would have played on for sure and got the knight back.

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I castled with my hands rather than my head, it did seem complicated though. But I have been on the attacking side enough times to know that the defender has numerous resources.

I anaylsed 13. exf6 e.p. but I agree with you I thought I still had an edge.

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Originally posted by Weadley
I dont see why your opponent resinged.
I would have played on for sure and got the knight back.
I think I would have resigned at the point he did, he has invested a lot of material and his compensation dwindled after not going for the piece on move 13.

But he is quick to resign, in our first game, I got a slight advantage

Game 1073773 and he resigned ... maybe prematurely.

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Originally posted by hypermo2001
white could have played Qg4 on move 12 threatening to win the queen with a discovered check! better!

also, white should capture en passant on move 13!

he missed two important moves
on move 12 I had the reply Nxe5!

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The only other option was maybe 12. h4 but I figured after Rh8 black is prob doing ok.

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Originally posted by demonseed
In this game my opponent played a better opening but instead of regaining his pawn he tries the greek gift. I thought I could defend but that the position is hairy!

What thinkst thou? Any chess programs or players who can analyse this and tell me if I was right to castle into it?

Game 1076447
13. exf6 looks like it could have troubled u.

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Originally posted by demonseed
In this game my opponent played a better opening but instead of regaining his pawn he tries the greek gift. I thought I could defend but that the position is hairy!

What thinkst thou? Any chess programs or players who can analyse this and tell me if I was right to castle into it?

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short answer: you messed up by castling into it...anytime the bishop is lined up against h7, the knight is on f3 and a pawn on e5, you must check to see if the greek gift is possible!! See Vukovic's Art of Attack in Chess for the definitive treatment!

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Originally posted by hypermo2001
short answer: you messed up by castling into it...anytime the bishop is lined up against h7, the knight is on f3 and a pawn on e5, you must check to see if the greek gift is possible!! See Vukovic's Art of Attack in Chess for the definitive treatment!
I disagree: if you have sufficient control of e5 you can resist the attack. The problem is that players try the greek gift idea too much. I am yet to see a line yet that demonstrates an edge for white after the sac.

ps I have Vukovic's "Art of Attack"

Have you noticed a lot of his analysis seems well dodgy, but maybe you have a newer fritzed version.

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Originally posted by demonseed
I disagree: if you have sufficient control of e5 you can resist the attack. The problem is that players try the greek gift idea too much. I am yet to see a line yet that demonstrates an edge for white after the sac.

ps I have Vukovic's "Art of Attack"

Have you noticed a lot of his analysis seems well dodgy, but maybe you have a newer fritzed version.
I did not see it MUST work...only that you MUST consider it and analyze the lines...

I have the edition edited by John Nunn...computer analyzed and annotated/revised. Also, it's in algebraic.

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Originally posted by hypermo2001
I did not see it MUST work...only that you MUST consider it and analyze the lines...

I have the edition edited by John Nunn...computer analyzed and annotated/revised. Also, it's in algebraic.
I have the old version it's a bit hit and miss but very good. There are a lot of lines where you think to yourself what if white tries x? etc

I did consider the sacrifice, in fact I hoped my opponent would try it because I thought it was not on in this particular case.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
13. exf6 looks like it could have troubled u.

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I wasn't sure Richard about that one.

One idea was not to play Kxf6 and try Nf5, looking for g4 etc, I thought I could have wriggled out.

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According to Junior, it was an even game until he played Qg4 on his second to last move. He should've played Bxf5

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