The Hammerschlag Prevails

Originally posted by Raven69
Here is a game where I played the Hammerschlag against an expert and almost won.

Raven (2114) - Oponent (2037)

1.f3 d5 2.Kf2 Nf6 3.e3 c5 4.d4 Nc6 5.Bb5 e6 6.Ne2 Qb6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.Nbc3 cxd4 9.exd4 Bd6 10.Na4 Qb8 11.g3 e5 12.dxe5 Bxe5 13.Bf4 0-0 14.Re1 Bxf4 15.Nxf4 g5 16.Ng2 g4 17.Qd4 Qd6 18.Qe5 Qxe5 19.Rxe5 gxf3 20.Kxf3 Ne4 21.Nf4 Ba6 22.Nd3 f6 23.Re7 ...[text shortened]... ettling for the perpetual, but like I said above, I was low on time and didn't want to risk it.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
At the risk of sounding even more stupid than usual, can someone suggest what 1.f3 then 2.Kf2 actually achieves from a strategic point of view?

What is the reasoning behind the opening? - after 1...d5, 2...e5 then usual ...Nf6, ...Nc6 etc it looks pretty terrible.

It humilates your opponent 🙂

How would you feel if someone played that against you?

It's a really hard opening to play against. White's king is out into the open and you feel the need to attack the crap out of it. If you can hold your pointless checks in check, Black will stand quite well off.

Originally posted by Raven69
So...? There are many openings that give away the center.

Although they are normally black ones. Perhaps after 1. f3 black should play 1. ... f6!?

Originally posted by RahimK
It humilates your opponent 🙂

How would you feel if someone played that against you?

Get a grip! There are no humiliating chess moves. Humiliating is going to the mall, walking around for awhile only to notice that you're bare ass naked and you're not dreaming. Get a life! Try fishing.

Originally posted by RahimK
It humilates your opponent 🙂

How would you feel if someone played that against you?

So there's no actual reason for doing it other than wasting 2 moves, exposing the king, giving away the center & not being able to castle.
Did I miss anything or is there any actual strategy in the opening?

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
So there's no actual reason for doing it other than wasting 2 moves, exposing the king, giving away the center & not being able to castle.
Did I miss anything or is there any actual strategy in the opening?

I think the overall strategy could be to entice black to attack, then you trade all the pieces and try for an endgame advantage with a more active king... something like that.

Originally posted by ChessJester
I think the overall strategy could be to entice black to attack, then you trade all the pieces and try for an endgame advantage with a more active king... something like that.

Eeesh - talk about forward thinking lol!!

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
Eeesh - talk about forward thinking lol!!

Well what's wrong with thinking ahead...? lol

The main point of it is to screw over your opponent's opening preparation...it gives you a psychological edge.

Originally posted by smw6869
Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Touche.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Although they are normally black ones. Perhaps after 1. f3 black should play 1. ... f6!?

Ah, the double Hammerschlag...'tis actually not very good for black...I mean, what kind of idiot would weaken their king like that??

Originally posted by Raven69
Ah, the double Hammerschlag...'tis actually not very good for black...I mean, what kind of idiot would weaken their king like that??

lol, you're a comedian. 😛

Originally posted by hammster21
It's a really hard opening to play against. White's king is out into the open and you feel the need to attack the crap out of it. If you can hold your pointless checks in check, Black will stand quite well off.

I tried the Hammer... lost 5 out of 4 games!

Originally posted by smw6869
I tried the Hammer... lost 5 out of 4 games!

You do not possess the technique to handle a superior opening such as this.

5 out of 4. Impressive math skills!

Has anyone of the master played the Hammerschlag that are available. It is a fascinating opening and I would like to get some more information on it. My compliments Raven. Nice games, and if Korch endorses the Hammerschlag it must be good. I just wish I had more information. Thanks for any forthcoming information.