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Originally posted by Mad Mac MacMad
Black has to play Ne7 or c6, which isn't complimentary, so I disagree. This is favourable to white only....unless of course you can offer a better line which I'm obv open to
May you show how white can get more than symbolic advantage in that line?

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Originally posted by Northern Lad
Maybe I'm going to have to buy Davies's book, especially as I play the Schliemann.
Based on our Schliemann discussions I have just ordered it. I hope it is good 🙂

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Based on our Schliemann discussions I have just ordered it. I hope it is good 🙂
Let me know what it's like. Normally I'm a bit wary of repertoire books, rather than books that look at openings comprehensively from both sides, but I may make an exception in this case.

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
are you stupid?
No, but you must be!

See the games of Kasparov, Fischer and Bronstein with it. Games can get closed in the KID but if you know how to play them they never get cramped.

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Based on our Schliemann discussions I have just ordered it. I hope it is good 🙂
I own it, just for fun, and the Schliemann coverage is probably the most thorough to date. Something like 90 pages if I remember correctly! 😀

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The title of the thread is "the most OPEN reply to 1 d4". Surely the KID and the Benoni aren't "open" by any stretch of the imagination.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
The title of the thread is "the most OPEN reply to 1 d4". Surely the KID and the Benoni aren't "open" by any stretch of the imagination.
Yeah, I was thinking something along those lines, too.

The King's Indian is obviously a perfectly reasonable opening, but it's simply to closed for my taste.

A few people reccommended the QGA, which is what I'm currently looking at, but especially after 1.d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 line, the walls sometimes seem to close in fast.

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Originally posted by wittywonka
A few people reccommended the QGA, which is what I'm currently looking at, but especially after 1.d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 line, the walls sometimes seem to close in fast.
I don't play the Queen's Gambit as White, nor do I play the QGA, but I read somewhere that after 1 d4 d5 2 c4 dc 3 e4, that 3...e5 is considered a good response. I'll look it up in my old BCO-2.

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
I don't play the Queen's Gambit as White, nor do I play the QGA, but I read somewhere that after 1 d4 d5 2 c4 dc 3 e4, that 3...e5 is considered a good response. I'll look it up in my old BCO-2.
That's actually what I've played in the three or so games I've had with it thus far. I'll give it a "fair" at the moment, but I'm thinking about switching to a different third move (possibly 3. ... Nc6).

Does anyone else have experience here?

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
I don't play the Queen's Gambit as White, nor do I play the QGA, but I read somewhere that after 1 d4 d5 2 c4 dc 3 e4, that 3...e5 is considered a good response. I'll look it up in my old BCO-2.
Just goes to show how much opening theory can change. Back in the 60s and 70s when I was young and starting out playing chess, 3.e4 (in the QGA) was considered virtually a duffer's move, since it was 'known' that black equalised effortlessly with 3...e5 or c5. Nowadays, of course, 3.e4 is all the rage at GM level.

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There have been some very recent games that show White getting really great positions after 3..e5:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1462306

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1462325

I myself am preferring this early Bb5 idea over Bxe6. Actually, I think there was a Ponomariov game in this huge World Cup tournament going on right now, where Bb5 was essayed again and won with white.

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Originally posted by Northern Lad
Just goes to show how much opening theory can change. Back in the 60s and 70s when I was young and starting out playing chess, 3.e4 (in the QGA) was considered virtually a duffer's move, since it was 'known' that black equalised effortlessly with 3...e5 or c5. Nowadays, of course, 3.e4 is all the rage at GM level.
It's been a relatively recently rising trend, hasn't it?

I even remember when there was a debate going on here at RHP about whether white should play 3.e4.

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Has anyone had any decent games with Black after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 with either 3. ... Nf6 or 3. ... Nc6?

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Originally posted by adam warlock
No, but you must be!

See the games of Kasparov, Fischer and Bronstein with it. Games can get closed in the KID but if you know how to play them they never get cramped.
"Cramped" and "closed" are basically the same thing the only difference is that "cramped" is usually talking about one player while "closed" is talking about both players being cramped because the center is frozen.

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Has no one mentioned the Benko gambit?

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