the old black vs. white

Gatecrasher made a thread a few years back (Thread 31062) comparing the relative strength with each colour.

This was Gatecrashers original post:

Large game databases show that all things being equal white should trump black about 54% of the time.

Do your results conform to that? Here's a forumla to calculate your %preference for white?

Score = 100* WS/(WS+BS)

where WS = (WW+WD/2)/WG and
BS = (BW+BD/2)/BG
BG, BW, BD are black games, wins and draws, and
WG, WW, WD are white games, wins and draws. You can get this info from the "Your performance" page on "My Home".

As an example, my score works out as:

Score = 100 * 0.8324/(0.8324+0.81768)
Score = 50.4%

Which compared to the 54% benchmark tells me that I play relatively better as black than white. It could mean my openings as white are weaker than they should be. It could mean my defences as black are stronger. I'd like to think its the latter.

What is your score? And what does it tell you about your game, if anything?

The point is: I have followed my own results over the years and cam,e up with the following:

01. 10.2005 43,3
01.11.2005 44,9
01.06.2006 46,6
01.09.2006 47,3
01.11.2006 48,2
01.03.2007 48,4
01.06.2008 49,2
01.05.2009 51
01.10.2009 49,6
01.12.2010 50,1

So I still am comparatively better with black, even after things evend out.

Sorry for all the edits, one time I will know how to write a post

Thanks for the revival of a great thread.
Reviewing it I went from:
49345 --> .507998 --> .510530 --> 0.51216 --> 0.5143 --> 0.5154 --> .5155 From 2005 - late 07.
Then a long break from the site....I currently sit at: .5101
I may have to get my games and exclude the timeout losses I incurred during my break...although they should be fairly even between W and B.

Originally posted by Ponderable
Gatecrasher made a thread a few years back (Thread 31062) comparing the relative strength with each colour.

This was Gatecrashers original post:

Large game databases show that all things being equal white should trump black about 54% of the time

Based just on my empirical experience I would say that Black Scores better from 1600 to 2100 and then White seems to move up after that.

Sheer statistics of w/l % doesn't always give an accurate picture as in a swiss tournament you almost always seem to have White versus much stronger opposition and Black when paired down.

averages only have meaning to the average player.

On the 1400 RHP data base 1½ million games.

White wins 46%
draws 11%
Black wins 43%

So at a weaker level the colour really does not matter all that much.

(With some players White is a handicap, they blunder one move quicker) 😉

Contrast this with the 1966-2005 informator DB these are games betweens
GM's and IM's very very few untitled games make Informator.
94,000 games.

Look at the difference.

White wins 45% (practically the same)
Draws 32%
Black wins 23% (wow)

There are approx 500,000 GM games missing from that model
between 1966 to 2005. Informator only takes the critical and good games.

hhmm... Greenpawn's data cuts right across what I was suggesting in my post above. So maybe I recall it the wrong way round!

Maybe games between titled players tend to favour White over Black, ignoring draws. That would make sense, given the experts' ability to convert 1st move advantage. Also, Nigel Short once told me (sorry to 'name-drop' but it's true) that amateur players find Black easier to play than White because they are better prepared with Black.

The logic is compelling: if White plays 1. e4, he must be prepared to meet numerous replies. But Black need only prepare 1...c5; and thereafter can steer the game towards the Naj, Schev, Dragon, etc according to taste

I think GM Short is dead on right. I would guess that at the club level White exits their "book" moves well before black except where they play some sort of system opening.

I guess the conclusion is, you're better with the color you're better prepared in! I'm better with white because I'm better prepared with white.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
(With some players White is a handicap, they blunder one move quicker) 😉

Hi Atticus

"...amateur players find Black easier to play than White because they are
better prepared with Black. "

I think this is very true, it is certainly true of me and others I know.

I'd hazard a guess that there are more dedicated Black opening books
(those that cover just one specific opening) than there are White's.

Just looked through my library of junk that I have gathered over the years.

White
The Bishop's Opening, The Scotch, 3.Bb5 v the Sicilian (3 books).
Four Knights. Italian Game, English? (Never played 1.c4 in my entire life).
and that appears to be it.

Black
Philidors Defence, Two Knights(2), French (2), Pirc (3) Kings Indian(4), Sicilians(4)
Latvian(4) Caro Kann, Alekhine, Benko, Petroff(2), Scandinavian(2). Elephant,
and Counter Gambits for Black v The Lopez,

Incredibly for the past 20 years as White I usually played the Lopez if I got
the chance. I do not have one book on the Lopez for the White side nor
have I read one. (after the first three moves what more is there to know?) 🙂

Originally posted by greenpawn34
I'd hazard a guess that there are more dedicated Black opening books
(those that cover just one specific opening) than there are White's.