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  1. 10 Apr '06 11:43
    Anyone knows the power of the scholar's mate?
    example,
    1. e4 e5
    2. Bc4 Bc5
    3. Qh5 Nf3??
    4. Qxf7mate

    and what happens after black response 3. Qh5 g6?? then Qxe5 check and gets a rook.

    there are different ways to block the scholar's mate, but not all of them were good like the 3.Qh5 g6?? move.

    I've ever played some games which involed in the Bishop and Queen attacks, such as...

    Game 1857664
    Game 1963853
    Game 1860164
  2. 10 Apr '06 11:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ray1993
    Anyone knows the power of the scholar's mate?
    example,
    1. e4 e5
    2. Bc4 Bc5
    3. Qh5 Nf3??
    4. Qxf7mate

    and what happens after black response 3. Qh5 g6?? then Qxe5 check and gets a rook.

    there are different ways to block the scholar's mate, but not all of them were good like the 3.Qh5 g6?? move.

    I've ever played some games which involed in th ...[text shortened]... p and Queen attacks, such as...

    Game 1857664
    Game 1963853
    Game 1860164
    Scholar's Mate is not a good way to play chess. You won't learn anything new and any player who has ben victimised by it two or three times will know to play

    1.e4 e5
    2.Qh5 Nc6
    3.Bc4 g6
    4.Qf3 Nf6
    5.Qb3 Na5!
  3. 10 Apr '06 11:59 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ray1993
    I've ever played some games which involed in th p and Queen attacks, such as...

    Game 1857664
    Game 1963853
    Game 1860164
    I thought scholar's mate was when you attack f7 (or f2) with a guarded Bishop, Knight or Queen in the 4th move, nothing else...? Not only a quick mating?
  4. 10 Apr '06 12:05
    Originally posted by Positional Player
    Scholar's Mate is not a good way to play chess. You won't learn anything new and any player who has ben victimised by it two or three times will know to play

    1.e4 e5
    2.Qh5 Nc6
    3.Bc4 g6
    4.Qf3 Nf6
    5.Qb3 Nb4!
    I don't actually understand the move Nb4!

    anyway, most of the games I played have the move Bc4 which followed by:

    Qh5 or
    Qf3 or
    maybe Nf3 then Ng5.

    the point is, in my own experients the move Bc4 which attacks the enemy's weak f7 square can lead to a good game. The sudden pressure on the enemy's king side can actually give the enemy a big headache
  5. 10 Apr '06 12:14
    Originally posted by ray1993
    I don't actually understand the move Nb4!

    anyway, most of the games I played have the move Bc4 which followed by:

    Qh5 or
    Qf3 or
    maybe Nf3 then Ng5.

    the point is, in my own experients the move Bc4 which attacks the enemy's weak f7 square can lead to a good game. The sudden pressure on the enemy's king side can actually give the enemy a big headache
    If they ignore elementary concepts of development, then yes, they can get into troubkle quickly, but against a semi-competent opponent, such an early attack is doomed to fail.

    Develop your pieces efficiently to the right squares, then attack. The combinations will begin to appear as if by magic.

    The point of 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 g6 4.Qf3 Nf6 5.Qb3 Na5! is that 6.Bxf7+? will lose the bishop.
  6. 10 Apr '06 12:15
    Originally posted by ray1993
    Anyone knows the power of the scholar's mate?
    example,
    1. e4 e5
    2. Bc4 Bc5
    3. Qh5 Nf3??
    4. Qxf7mate

    and what happens after black response 3. Qh5 g6?? then Qxe5 check and gets a rook.

    there are different ways to block the scholar's mate, but not all of them were good like the 3.Qh5 g6?? move.

    I've ever played some games which involed in th ...[text shortened]... p and Queen attacks, such as...

    Game 1857664
    Game 1963853
    Game 1860164
    ummm.... good luck trying to get anone rated > 1200 to fall for that....


    Now your first problem is that black cannot play Nf3, so I will assume you meant Nf6. The second thing you should know is that you can rewrite "4. Qxf7mate" as either
    "4. Qxf7#" or
    "4. Qxf7 1-0"

    The third thing you should know is that 1 move tricks are generally easy to see and beat. Personally I wouldn't have played 2. ... Bc5, but if I was in the position Qf6 seems a reasonable try. With Qf6, I will stop your mate, threaten Qf2+ and I am ready to play g6 creating a luft to fianchetto my bishop with tempo.
  7. Standard member Keltamaksa
    Juuso
    10 Apr '06 12:51
    Game 1543144
    I wish I could remember what I was smoking back then.
  8. 10 Apr '06 13:23
    Originally posted by Positional Player
    If they ignore elementary concepts of development, then yes, they can get into troubkle quickly, but against a semi-competent opponent, such an early attack is doomed to fail.

    Develop your pieces efficiently to the right squares, then attack. The combinations will begin to appear as if by magic.

    The point of 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 g6 4.Qf3 Nf6 5.Qb3 Na5! is that 6.Bxf7+? will lose the bishop.
    white will not actually lose a bishop by Bxf7check

    1.e4 e5
    2.Qh5 Nc6
    3.Bc4 g6
    4.Qf3 Nf6
    5.Qb3 Na5
    6.Bxf7+ Ke7

    then Qb4check and got a knight for a bishop
    besides, black's king is exposed
  9. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    10 Apr '06 14:54
    There are about 300 games involving an initial white attack along the lines being discussed on my database, white does not score well. The only game I could find between strong players is the one below and the fact that it ends in a draw after 11 moves indicates that white isn't getting enough out of the opening. This is the kind of thing that might get you somewhere in a blitz game, but not on a correspondence site where your opponent has several days to work out a response.

    [Site "Nova Gorica SLO-ch"]
    [Date "1994.??.??"]
    [White "Mohr, G"]
    [Black "Gostisa, L"]
    [Result "1/2-1/2"]
    [WhiteElo "2435"]
    [BlackElo "2420"]
    [ECO "C23"]

    1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Bc5 3.Qh5 Qe7 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Qxe5 Bxf2+ 6.Ke2 Qxe5 7.Nxe5 Bb6
    8.Bxf7+ Ke7 9.Bb3 d6 10.Nf3 Nxe4 11.d3 Nf6 1/2-1/2
  10. 10 Apr '06 15:05
    Originally posted by ray1993
    white will not actually lose a bishop by Bxf7check

    1.e4 e5
    2.Qh5 Nc6
    3.Bc4 g6
    4.Qf3 Nf6
    5.Qb3 Na5
    6.Bxf7+ Ke7

    then Qb4check and got a knight for a bishop
    besides, black's king is exposed
    My bad. That should be 5...Nd4
  11. 10 Apr '06 15:13
    Originally posted by ray1993
    white will not actually lose a bishop by Bxf7check

    1.e4 e5
    2.Qh5 Nc6
    3.Bc4 g6
    4.Qf3 Nf6
    5.Qb3 Na5
    6.Bxf7+ Ke7

    then Qb4check and got a knight for a bishop
    besides, black's king is exposed
    Ok Wise Guy.....take a look at the line you provided.....Qe7 can be played at 3-4 different times, Instead of g6, Na5, Nf6, etc,etc...and it defends very well each time


    but for the purposes of demonstartion: -

    How would you respond if I played Qe7 instead of g6??

    **{Bxf7+ will trade a bishop for a pawn}

    Perhaps I'd follow that up by Nf6 -causually developing a knight and weakening your attack....

    or maybe, g6, aiming to francetto (sp?) the bishop, then develop the knight to f6 in order to castle into a very strong position

    After Qe7 your attack fails....and in order to continue you will need more chessmen in the action.....unfortuantly, for you, that takes time (for example- 2 ply for a knight at g5) which of course, means i also have a move or two for me to arrange a solid defence....

    so what will eventually happen if white is left lagging in development, which may become a powerfull advantage for black...


    So in short.....

    THE MOVE QE7 COMPLETLY PWNS YOUR N00B TACTICS!
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Gonzalo de Córdoba
    10 Apr '06 19:42
    Originally posted by Positional Player
    Scholar's Mate is not a good way to play chess. You won't learn anything new and any player who has ben victimised by it two or three times will know to play

    1.e4 e5
    2.Qh5 Nc6
    3.Bc4 g6
    4.Qf3 Nf6
    5.Qb3 Na5!
    It's a great way to play chess for noobs! I recommend all chess noobs use it until they realize their opposition can stop it. It's great for learning tactics for noobs.
  13. Standard member Kirwan
    Mel Kirwan
    10 Apr '06 21:58 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ray1993
    Anyone knows the power of the scholar's mate?
    example,
    1. e4 e5
    2. Bc4 Bc5
    3. Qh5 Nf3??
    4. Qxf7mate

    and what happens after black response 3. Qh5 g6?? then Qxe5 check and gets a rook.

    there are different ways to block the scholar's mate, but not all of them were good like the 3.Qh5 g6?? move.

    I've ever played some games which involed in th ...[text shortened]... p and Queen attacks, such as...

    Game 1857664
    Game 1963853
    Game 1860164
  14. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    10 Apr '06 22:25
    Originally posted by ray1993
    Anyone knows the power of the scholar's mate?
    example,
    1. e4 e5
    2. Bc4 Bc5
    3. Qh5 Nf3??
    4. Qxf7mate

    and what happens after black response 3. Qh5 g6?? then Qxe5 check and gets a rook.

    there are different ways to block the scholar's mate, but not all of them were good like the 3.Qh5 g6?? move.

    I've ever played some games which involed in th ...[text shortened]... p and Queen attacks, such as...

    Game 1857664
    Game 1963853
    Game 1860164
    It's got the power to keep your rating down in the 1400s. A strange power, indeed.